43 Coronavirus Deaths and Over 5,600 Cases in N.Y.C.

Mar 20, 2020 · 772 comments
Mford (ATL)
NYT, amazing coverage as always, but if you're going to post a national map, you should keep it updated more closely. For example, Georgia released its numbers at noon today, 400+, but your map shows yesterday's number of 200. It's basically doubling every day. A day-old national map doesn't express the severity.
Person (Wisconsin)
We have you.
Carlyle T. (New York City)
Can anyone advise me where I can get the required masks in NYC for elderly caregivers, can't find any for the last two weeks, now that Gov. Cuomo has "Matilda's law" we need these more then ever..Help!
Oceanviewer (Orange County, CA)
I just watched the videocast of Governor Cuomo addressing NY. Geez, what a contrast between his honest, cool and compassionate analytical style; and that of the greedy, disorganized and bumbling liar in the WH.
Person (Wisconsin)
A huge suite against Apple. Like 1 Billion or more. They stole songs from all of us. They ripped them. They owe us billions! You know this! Why don't you act? I'll be the person if necessary.
Face Facts (Nowhere, Everywhere)
As all the Americans here contemplate the damage and life changing dynamics you now have to deal with, it is worth noting that you supported US Governments over 80 years which enforced the same impact on Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, much of South America and much of the non-Western world. And supposedly as a Christian country. How does it feel to live in fear of not knowing what is going to happen tomorrow? How does it feel to live in fear for your life and those of your children and family? How does it feel to see your economic future going up in smoke? How does it feel to experience much of what your hypocritical support for Israel and Saudi Arabia has inflicted on billions of innocent civilians, including children? Sit with that and experience what you have all inflicted on billions of other human beings in your pursuit of happiness... You, the United States and its citizens, are getting what you have dished out for 80 years. You are getting what your Christian country has inflicted upon much of the developing world. You are getting what you have brought on yourselves. And by the way, the last global pandemic was from the USA - Fort Riley, Kansas. Given Trump is calling this the Chinese Virus, I hope you don't mind if we now call the Spanish Flu the "American Virus" as that is what is was. Good luck dealing with the environment you have created for yourselves - karma or no karma.
Xenophon (Shanghai)
To answer why China has zero domestic cases, why I was able to go to a park and restaurant yesterday with 4 friends and no fear, you just have to understand one number and one date: 1000 confirmed infections. On January 23. There were only 1000 confirmed infections on the day when Wuhan was closed down in a way that NY still isn't. When extreme social distancing was legally forced in Shanghai (which had maybe 10 confirmed cases, now 380 today), all schools and most businesses, including my own, shut down, and when wearing MASKS became legally mandatory for being outside everywhere. Maybe the real number was 40X 1000 on January 24. Then it doubled one more time as China held on to the strictest pandemic controls in history. The current numbers (about 81,000, no domestic infections) are not a lie or cover-up - everyone has been taking the disease extremely seriously for 2 months, sacrificing the economy (my business still isn't reopened) to save the people. I am so happy to see that NY is finally beginning to take the extremely strict steps needed to slow the pandemic. They should not be called "draconian" or the differences blamed on "democracy vs dictatorship" - they should instead be considered the NECESSARY STEPS TO SAVE THE PEOPLE. I am trying now to mail a hundred N95 respirators from China to donate to a hospital in the US. It's the most customs can allow me. God bless the USA and let it realize, finally, what it needs to do. -Chinese-American in Shanghai
GFE (New York)
I just went to the grocery store in Manhattan, wearing my mask and planning on staying at least six feet from others, if at all possible. On the way, I passed a bunch of young fools, about eight of them, sitting next to each other on the benches bordering a wedge-shaped island of park land across from Union Square at the intersection of 14th Street and 4th Avenue. There's a police station inside the Union Square subway station, I'd say about a hundred feet away. I applaud the Governor's orders to limit human contact, but the orders are useless when knuckleheads refuse to comply. The cops need to be enforcing the Governor's orders by rousting dunces who insist on congregating in public and telling them to move on -- separately. When I got home, I received a text from an Italian friend. It contained a photo of a gymnasium-size room filled with rows of coffins. Do you suppose the dummies congregating around Union Square would alter their reckless behavior if they saw that photo? Probably not. This is why the cops need to get involved.
MCK (Brooklyn)
Ran in Prospect Park this evening and had a very difficult time staying 6ft away from others. I tried to distance as much as possible, but it didn’t appear others were making an effort to distance. I saw lots of clusters of people. We now know people are testing positive without showing symptoms. Even in the park it’s possible we’re spreading this virus to others, many who may be immune compromised and high risk. I hope they put park security in place to enforce the 6ft distance rule. Unless that happens, I won't be running in the park.
George S. (NY & LA)
While buses may be free for a while can we really ask the big question? Can the high rate of Covid-19 cases in NYC be a result of the high use of mass transit? It really is incumbent upon the State and City to address the reason for NY's very high rate of contagion. While it may be due to greater levels of testing (which is good) is it perhaps a function of urban density and the mass transit system? And if it is transit related, how can they ultimately clean the system and restore rider trust? I'm due to return to NYC in a week or so. I usually use the AirTrain and then the LIRR to get from JFK to Manhattan. Will I be at extra risk if I do so versus taking a much higher priced Uber or cab ride into town? Please, these are the very ordinary questions we need to get some advice on.
Jojeke (Brisbane, Australia)
If NY and the USA are like my country, Australia, then the two biggest obstacles to fighting the spread of coronavirus and reducing its impact are the lack of early, decisive action and strict isolation measures by the government and the blasé attitude of many of the population to follow basic hygiene and isolation rules and understand the risks to themselves, their loved ones, their community and their country. Leaders in my country have acted too cautiously and are taking a measured approach as we watch the infection rates double every 3 to 4 days. We should have acted more decisively, closing schools, public transport and workplaces – these all currently remain open across Australia and the virus continues to spread rapidly. In addition, people in my workplace have made comments such as 'it's just like the flu' and 'I have a good immune system so I'll be fine'. Wrong. Although there are high risk groups such as the elderly and people with chronic pre-existing conditions, young seemingly healthy people are not immune, no one is immune. They have a lower risk than others but they are not immune. Everyone is at risk. This type of attitude breeds contempt for health and safety warnings and isolation rules thus putting more people at risk and allowing the virus to spread at an exponential rate, as we are seeing in Australia and many other countries around the world. The USA is heading down the same path.
I was on Metro North 3/05. Crowded, woman across from me clearly sick, coughing and rubbing her face. The three of us sitting in the two-seat, facing seats were aghast. That was the final straw, and I’ve been working remotely since then. Fortunately, I could do so. Both my office and the college at which I teach part time are now closed. I was sure that the virus was spreading through the City via commuter lines and the subway - and schools. So far we are okay - both seniors, high risk, staying home except for groceries (Masks and gloves) - but the mounting numbers suggest that I was right. NYC should have shut down sooner - as soon as the New Rochelle case was identified. We are scared.
LondonLad (London)
I watched the Cuomo press conference live but like us this side of the pond, too little too late. We are all playing catch up when instead we actually had the luxury of time to prepare ourselves. In NYC given the preponderance of tall buildings, lifts are going to be places where people are going to transmit. A friend in BK asked her fellow residents in her upmarket block in FG to use another lift (there are 4), they refused. Nice. I’m also concerned that if you tell people not to work you need to provide for them. How are they going to feed themselves in a country with a famously tenuous safety net? Very worried.
tedc (dfw)
Testing is important but not perfect. The are many false-negative results from not enough viral particles in the sample which may explain the CT scan can detect the lung infection in the earlier stage of infection and most hospitals require 2 to 3 negative tests before discharging the patient.
John B (Chevy Chase)
In France both wine and baguettes have been deemed essential, and the purveyors of both are allowed to carry on their business. How much more does one actually need?
Lu (Brooklyn)
@John B plus beer, vodka (i'm originally from the ussr), leafy greens, pickles, cheese, fruit and cookies.
John B (Chevy Chase)
@John B To answer my own question, along with a bottle of Bordeaux and an artisanal baguette perhaps the state should also assure a reliable supply of rillettes d'oie.
George S. (NY & LA)
@John B Besides the bread and wine -- perhaps a little Brie?
Office confirmed three positive tests on my floor alone. Many others are sick but cannot get tested. 2 of the 3 are in critical condition so I did a televisit with my doctor. Respected and trustworthy doctor told me that she had only ability to send 10 samples for testing per 3000 patients in DC area and my sore throat and cough was not severe enough to warrant a test. He advised I isolate. When I checked the online visit summary. It only said possible exposure but no diagnoses, nothing! I know the doctors have to protect themselves from liability but this is so frustrating and scary. I have one more week of isolation to go.
tombo (new york state)
“These provisions will be enforced,” the governor said at a briefing in Albany. “These are not helpful hints.” Governor Cuomo is providing strong, competent leadership during this crisis. Compare his response to this crisis with that of the grossly incompetent grifter in the White House. Doing so will make it clear to anyone (besides Trump cult members) the reality of the national catastrophe that is the Trump conservative Republican presidency. November can't get here quick enough. No, I mean it really can't. It's 25th Amendment time.
RSSF (San Francisco)
@tombo No, he's NOT providing leadership. Why is NY going on a (still somewhat partial) lockdown a week after most of CA locked down, and CA had restrictions on number of people who could gather, restaurants, etc. even before then. He dragged his heels on the stay in shelter order (and still refuses to call it that so he doesn't have to eat his words). Judge Cuomo when this crisis is over and how New York, where CV spread later than in WA and CA, comes out relative to others. Of course Trump is to be blamed for delayed testing. Both Cuomo and Trump don't deserve to be re-elected.
George S. (NY & LA)
@RSSF Hey, this isn't a contest to see who got there first. There is no play book. Everyone is groping in the dark. I'm aware that the Bay Area jumped first. But in the end, will a matter of a day mean anything? FWIW, CA issued a statewide yesterday evening. NY this morning. About 12 hours apart. Please stop keeping score we're not in a game here.
CacaMera (NYC)
Cases in NY are already over 8,300 since this article was published. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Camille (NYC)
Mister, we got a man like Herbert Hoover again.
Glee (New York)
You incompetent buffoons. Both you and deBlasio dawdled when the cases were silently spreading through the communities. Last week, suddenly deBlasio decided it was politically expedient to close the schools and take the hardline approach and Cuomo because of his antipathy towards lazy Bill, decided to take the opposite approach trying to see who would come out on top. Why? Because your pathetic excuse was not to sow panic? So today, after more days passed and far more cases are coming to light, people won't panic? Disgraceful. Now, when cases are out of control, now you say it's an emergency? It's been an emergency for 2 weeks, at the minimum. I'm a physician and I'm seeing the results of both your stupidity and rivalry. DeBlasio is blaming Trump. No doubt Trumpy is complicit, but both you are equally as culpable. I don't even know how many people will have to be infected and die because of your ineptitudes and ego. DeBlasio, I can understand, he's basically a lazy, clueless political hack who lucked into mayoralty, Cuomo? your father, who I fondly remember, would be disappointed.
Morgan (Aspen Colorado)
If you have a Coronavirus webpage up that says nothing beyond "Wash your hands", take it down. Likewise, if you have a page up that has not been updated in five to ten days, take it down. This is a real health emergency and people should not have to wade through your nonsense to get the information they need to surviven.
Rambur (Queens)
Is anyone else noticing the picture of Queens folks lining up for a test? I see no social distancing!!!
Madeline Conant (Midwest)
Just waiting for Trump to fire Fauci because he is not an obsequious toady like Pence. Fauci is not afraid to contradict Trump when Trump tells one of his ridiculous whoppers.
clarity007 (tucson, AZ)
COVID 19 will run its course as all previous virus outbreaks. Do to aggressive government and private sector response COVID 19 will likely be less lethal than the H1N1 (2009-2010) swine flu infestation that killed 13,000 Americans. A national emergency in timing with the current one was declared but few draconian actions were initiated. If we are fortunate the warm weather will significantly arrest the spread of COVID 19 as it does the common flu. It's curious that on average we label the killing of on average 50,000 Americans "the flu season".
Ollie (NY)
@clarity007 The indications from Africa which is a warm place is that this virus DOES NOT SUBSIDE due to the heat. The projections are that 2.2 million Americans will die due to Covid-19. Is that enough for you to consider this not just another flu? Perhaps you should consult the Donald and his magic 8-ball?
Cjmesq0 (Bronx, NY)
The death to positive virus result percentages are going way down every day. We are tanking our economy with little regard for the much worse consequences that will certainly follow unless we end this insanity by April 1.
Phil (NYC)
You still don’t get it do you? The focus is not on deaths but morbidity. Hospitals are rapidly filling up with patients who have developed respiratory failure and pneumonia due to the virus. If they tip over then many more will die. Even if they don’t, the hospitals are too full to look after anything else like heart failure, COPD, trauma etc. If you’re going to remove the lockdown, why don’t you be the first to volunteer to get the virus. After all, you said it’s no big deal.
Berber (Wisco)
@Cjmesq0 Your comment appears to care more about money than people's lives. The point is to prevent the hospital systems from being overwhelmed. Have you paid any attention to what has been happening in Italy or perhaps to what Washington State is planning for? The doctors in both places have a process in place (or are developing a process) to help determine which patient is to receive life-saving medical care versus which patient is to be sent to their death. We have a finite number of hospital beds, doctors, nurses, and medical equipment, with many of those personnel and resources already in use for hospitalized patients with chronic medical conditions, trauma, influenza, etc. I pray the measures taken to limit the spread of the virus allow for you and your family to stay healthy and safe... Even if it might temporarily tank the economy.
Nelson Rime (NYC)
Yup. Good call. April 1st is the day. The stars, planets and astrologers all agree. You get a gold star and cookie today. Congrats.
Jack P (Buffalo)
It could be worthwhile to obtain statistics that would separate corona virus incidences and outcomes between smokers and non-smokers. If there is evidence that smoking is a negative factor, cigarettes could be taken off the market.
John B (Chevy Chase)
@Jack P I am all for taking nicotine products off the market, but in terms of COVID 19 it would be a bit too late. The smoking vulnerability of patients represents years and decades of prior damage.
Anti-Marx (manhattan)
@Jack P same with obesity and type 2 diabetes. obesity impairs respiration and circulation.
CK (Christchurch NZ)
You won't contain this unless you close your borders to everyone like China did. The Chinese are getting ready to go back to work. I read in the lastest NY Times report on the coronavirus, that by July most of the population will be infected if you don't do something now, instead of focusing on the share market. The markets will look after themselves once the virus is contained.
David (New York)
It’s not primarily about closing borders. We need to test, test, test. My wife went to an Emergency Clinic today with symptoms and wasn’t tested because they had only 3 tests!
clarity007 (tucson, AZ)
@David Agree testing is important to monitor the disease but normally patients presenting flu like symptoms are not tested but sent home to convales.
Ollie (NY)
@clarity007 A gentleman from Queens went to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital for a test. They sent him home to await the results. He died of Covid-19 two days later. The story is in the New York Post. If there were enough tests than anyone who was ill could get one. In order to get control of the virus the South Koreans tested EVERYONE even those without symptoms. Some people are asymptomatic but have the virus and are contagious.
John (California)
As someone in the Bay area, we need to speed up our test here! We might have a similar situation to the state of New York.
clarity007 (tucson, AZ)
@John Tests are good to monitor the disease but patients presenting flu like symptoms are normally sent home to convales.
Ollie (NY)
Person (Wisconsin)
Be reasonable about it. It is like the flu. Maybe times 100. But if so, it should be ok.
Susan H (New York)
Missing the point. This attitude is now dangerous. It’s not about the effects on one person but the totality of effects on our health care system. It is highly contagious and we have no immunity. The huge number of cases are overwhelming our health care system.
Anti-Marx (manhattan)
@Susan H But the vast majority of infected people won't ever need treatment, right? The biggest burden on the health care system now is the demand for testing. If people were cool about living with uncertainty (but not symptoms), health care workers wouldn't have to waste time testing people who may never become symptomatic at all. Testing low-risk people is a waste of scarce medical resources (worker manhours).
Judith Evers (Florida)
President Trump either needs to lead or get out of the way. This is a public health crisis of massive proportion. To those people enabling him to hem and haw and stall, Say something do something.
Scott K (Atlanta)
@Judith Evers Trump has said that if states can get things done more quickly while the Federal government is doing what they can, then by all mean, the states should move forward. So Florida, and New York, lead and show the rest of us how great you are.
Crow (New York)
There was a time when NY state had zero cases. It was at that time that everyone should have kept some distance, refrained from touching their face, not gone out to crowded bars. Congratulations fellow New Yorkers, we did this to ourselves.
DB (New York)
How did we do this to ourselves? When we had 0, we still had jobs to go to. Schools to send our children. We did nothing to ourselves. The virus did. So what are YOU gonna do?
Ollie (NY)
@Crow The fatally flawed Trump administration response to the virus epidemic is what did this to us. South Korea and the US had their first cases on the same day. South Korea started testing everyone and quarantining infected people whether or not they were symptomatic. Trump on the other hand announced that it was only one case from China and that he had the situation under control. He did not get perfectly fine test kits form WHO. Instead he dithered and kept announcing that everything was PERFECT. WE HAD NO TEST KITS TO TEST AND GET CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. This is the most massive failure by a US president.
Bob Guthrie (Australia)
Trump says his government is not a shipping clerk And hospitals are asking for home made masks. When the medical staff get sick in big numbers, what then?. America made machinery right away in WW2. Trump refuses to budge- he refuses to lead. I don't need to tell you this. Now Pence is echoing his falsehoods. You need to make Pelosi president right now to deal with this and take action. Poor America. This is appalling
Megan (Philadelphia)
We have no idea how many cases there are in the US right now, so news outlets should describe the cases in New York as “newly discovered,” not new.
Mike (N)
As much as I hate trump. People defending or congratulating China is simply ridiculous. They knew about this virus since November.... November! They refused to tell their own people about and definitely didn’t tell the rest of the world. They didn’t allow western doctors until just a few weeks ago. China will take advantage of all this, you watch. They will financial take over a lot of countries that just get devastated by all this. China will end up winning from this and Europe and the West are going to get crushed unfortunately.
Pigsy (The Eatery)
What did your, and sadly my, leader do with infinitely more information and at least as much warning? Americans are great at blame, but not so much at finding solutions. Guess we deserve Trump.
Carol (Queens)
Interesting position. Do you believe the rumors the Chinese released this virus on purpose?
George M. (NY)
@Mike "They knew about this virus since November.... November!" And so did Trump and his callous administration. Stop defending the indefensible. Trump and his enablers should be tried for crimes against humanity.
RickNYC (Brooklyn)
Trump has his foot on the neck of New York for what? A combination of childlike denial, idiocy, and a fear of looking like he was wrong? Too late! There will be so much blood on his hands if he continues dragging his feet on compelling factories to produce needed supplies, and activating the military for emergency hospital tent construction. Come on already, does nobody have the guts to give it to him straight?
Olivia (NYC)
This is the man who went to the gym on Monday after he closed the schools, gyms, restaurants...and told everyone to stay home. He is a hideous joke. Worst mayor of my lifetime.
Iced Tea-party (NY)
Cuomo is a bad man to stand in the wY of the essential protective measure.
KB (Manhattan)
Mayor DiBlasio said on WNYC's Brian Lehrer show this morning that NYC hospitals are 3 weeks away from completely running out of supplies and turning sick patients away. He also said that the White House is ignoring his people and Cuomo's people as they try to get New Yorkers help. How is this not front page news? They are leaving us to die.
Rob Kaufman (Manhattan)
I’m (nearly) speechless from the astonishing level of buffoonery emanating from Washington, with trump playing politics with our lives and wellbeing, the pigs (lobbyists) lining up at the trough for free money, lawmakers selling stocks on inside information, trump denying all responsibility for providing tests, masks and other protective measures, and just an unbelievable amount of incompetence and stupidity. God help us. We’re all doomed, one way or another.
Cathy (Stillwater, NY)
If you have statewide date broken down by county, can you please publish it? The state is more than the city, you know. My county public health website hasn't posted updates in two days. No doubt they have more important things to do. If you have the daily data statewide, please publish it.
Liam (Brooklyn)
NYC shutdown: Why not right now? Why on Earth wait until Sunday?
Claude (Los Angeles)
In my humble opinion, Trump is no where better than Xi. lol
Pigsy (The Eatery)
Lol indeed! Trump doesn’t hold a candle to Xi. Donald is a Real Dictator fanboy wannabe. Listen to Xi speak about Corona. Compare and contrast with Trump’s daily hissy fits that wouldn’t look particularly attractive on a 3 year old.
DemocraticRepublic (US)
You know, if I was a Fox News-brainwashed devotee, I might be tempted to think that this whole thing is a Republican conspiracy to decimate the Democratic population centers of the US. But...since I don't trust Fox News at all, I won't even entertain that idea.
Julianna (M)
To the Times: Please, PLEASE stop using phrasing that results in incorrect and unsubstantiated claims. It is dangerously inaccurate to say, "When the week began, there were only about 700 cases in the state. Now there are 10 times that." There were 700 confirmed cases in the state. As the Times repeatedly pointed out then, and even points out in this very article, there is no doubt that that number was a wild underestimate due to the lack of testing. The spread could have slowed dramatically since the beginning of the week and we would have no idea because of the lack of testing at the beginning of the week. This is damaging for many reasons, but not least among them, that by writing this, you may be falsely convincing people that current efforts to curb the virus are not working or useless.
David (New York)
It will take 2 weeks for the current efforts to show up in the numbers. I thought that was pretty clear to everyone. We should expect the cases to continue to rise in the coming days.
Bascom (Madison WI)
@Julianna I have been tracking numbers. You're right, language is very important. My sense of the numbers is that they are helpful, and can be used to recognize trends, and give us perspective. Albeit, Testing is critical to an honest reconciliation of rate of infection, and mortality. However, using the data provided, and seeing the trends, it is obvious that we need to take action. Also, we have the trends from China and Italy to assist with the perspective. The quarantine effort in Italy was effective; At the worst they were increasing daily about 35%, that was early. Presently they are fairly constant at 13%, with a downward trend. They saw first cases about 4 weeks ago, around Feb 20. I am impressed by the rapid change in the rate. Our country has just recently begun the quarantine-ish process. Your comment about seeing results is valid. With anywhere from 2 to 10 days before symptoms display, this means that there will be a delay effect of actions taken today. Because the rate of infection is increasing, when we do start self isolating, or social distancing, we wont see impacts for 10 to 14 days, and the decline in daily rates will be slow, but hopefully a trend can be seen, and reported. Hang in there, be well and be safe.
Lu (Brooklyn)
@David What @Julie is pointing out is that the times used sensationalist, inaccurate language in formulating the sentence "When the week began, there were only about 700 cases in the state. Now there are 10 times that." there were by all available data projections, more than 700 cases Monday, we just didn't have the testing capability to know it. it was likely several orders of magnitude higher. who knows if we're actually 10x higher now. the 8000+ cases we now know about are also just the tip of the iceberg, since we're just testing those who are pretty severely symptomatic.
ernieh1 (New York)
In this morning's briefing a reporter from NBC asked Trump what his message would be for Americans are frightened by the coronavirus. Trump's response was to berate the reporter: "I say that you are a terrible reporter," and that the question was "nasty." He further continued: “The American people are looking for answers and looking for hope. You’re doing sensationalism.” A real president would have thanked the reporter for the question and answered it as if he were....well, a real president.
Jack P (Buffalo)
@ernieh1 To fully understand Trump's irritation one would need to her a recording of the exchange. The reporter was confrontational and rude.
Joanne (Colorado)
@Jack P I heard and saw the entire exchange. The reporter’s demeanor was entirely appropriate. It was Trump who was rude. Give me a break.
JDP (San Francisco)
That is not true
Jonathan (Oregon)
All totally predicted by the modeling. Below is a link to the Imperial College report. Read the 15 pages and then call your congresspeople. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
Luke (Rochester, NY)
Thanks NYT for the coverage. Please pass along any data you may have on the 1700 cases upstate (North of the Bronx to the Canadian border) of the 7,840 the state is reporting, and any testing locations.
G (New York)
People that get and recover from COVID-19, will become an invaluable resource for helping others in the future. Everything from being part of the medical response, to supporting home deliveries, and everything that requires human to human contact, will benefit from the growing army of people that have gotten and then recovered from the virus. Is anyone maintaining a database of these people? If not, why not?
Marc (Colorado)
As a Colorado resident, I am envious of the level of testing that is happening in NY. Our vulnerable mountain towns in Colorado are likely a major focus for spread, not to mention a hub for dissemination since many from out of state/country traveled through here during the ski season. But so far, only 3,700 tests have been performed in a state with 5.6 million residents. This administration, which has minimized the gravity of the problem early on when we could have made the most effective public health intervention, is accountable for this delay that would cost a lot of lives.
RLiss (Fleming Island, Florida)
The U.S. which has been off to a very slow, ridiculously slow start, at testing, has given everyone a false sense of security: "see, its not bad here"... In Italy, 627 people died yesterday. 41, 350 are infected there and their health system, a better one than we have by the way, is overwhelmed with doctors having to make decisions about who to treat or allow to use one of the increasingly rare ventilators..... Do you think the 5000 people have died from COVID-19 in Europe, so far. This is a real crisis and downplaying it may make you feel less anxious, but that doesn't change the facts. (from a retired RN)
Kelly (PA)
The fatality rate of this is so much lower than initially thought. Just wait until people realize that we just wrecked the economy for something barely more deadly that the flu.
Marc (Colorado)
@Kelly This is the type of misleading information that will get us all in trouble. Please read the statistics, and back up your statements with citations.
orazio (north west)
@Kelly That is why in italy more than 500ppl a day are leaving us. Italy has one of the best health system in the world BTW. PA is not too far from NJ, I would start changing your position on this or it might be too late
@Kelly When you talk to experts (not me), they recognize there is not enough statistical significant data to calculate mortality rates. Period. It's not the same to have a 0.7% mortality rate that a 3 or 5% - the difference is millions of humans - 0.5 tp 1.5-2 in the UK only... This does not even factor in collateral damage associated to hospitals being overwhelmed. Europe's crisis will peak in 4 weeks. US wave has not even get started....nice pics and videos of drunk youngsters enjoying spring break in Florida and returning to Ohio...or people sun bathing today at Washington Sq Park in NY today.... On top of that, you don't know the timeline for therapy and vaccine to immunize the pop before the next wave in the fall. Moreover, this virus mutates constantly, which makes it even more difficult to tame. US, (unfortunately), brace yourself for war time type of global scenario in terms of economic and human impact. May the Force be With Us
Aaron (US)
When all this started I was cavalier, but the reality of the threat this virus poses to our neighbors sank in and my family and I have been practicing social distancing. We live just north of NYC and there are a handful of confirmed cases in the immediate vicinity (which means many more unconfirmed). The social distancing feels radical except its clearly called for. Except for two surprise instances that were beyond our control, we haven't been within 10 feet of a person outside our bubble for the past week. We've taken other, I believe sensible, measures to ensure we don't transmit this virus. We do not fall in the category of those especially at risk but we feel like its our duty to do this. I'm not saying this to signal my virtue. Indeed, I thought everyone was doing this. Which is why I was shocked when my daughter and I went for a walk around the block today. It was a warm afternoon. People were playing basketball, talking close, running in the middle of paths breathing hard, thus not allowing others to get away from them, forcing others off into the woods if they wanted to stay 6 feet away. We had someone walk straight at us and we had to swerve away. It wasn't just young people, old too. When I got home I thought, am I crazy? I suddenly wondered if I was totally overreacting. No, I don't think so. I think a lot of people are acting nuts and putting everyone at risk. I don't understand the behavior.
Anti-Marx (manhattan)
@Aaron You feel a duty. Most people don't. It's not that the fear less. It sounds like you aren't acting out fear, but out of a sense of duty. That's fine. But not everybody feels the same sense of duty. Most of the precautions being taken are about duty rather than fear. I'm a Wall St guy. So, I probably feel less duty toward others than non-Wall St people.
Liz (Georgia, US)
@Aaron I've noticed the same thing and felt the same way. It's just that in any decent sized group, you have people who don't follow rules and/or don't care. They don't take it seriously. Americans are particularly bad at this, but it's everywhere. Some people really think it's overblown and not as bad as people say, particularly because the numbers have been so low or they don't personally know anyone affected. If that sounds stupid, it's because it is. But it's just how people are. Until it hits THEIR doorstep, it's not real.
Anti-Marx (manhattan)
@Liz I'm one of those stupid people, but i don't have kids. I'm acting like I have it and am, accordingly, keeping to myself and observing social distancing. But I secretly believe it's mass hysteria. I act like it's a serious issue, because that's the polite thing to do, but I don't believe it's serious. I still go for hour long runs around NYC, but I make sure to stay 6 feet away from anyone I pass.
RSSF (San Francisco)
Cuomo has been dragging his feet on lockdown, and this is still not a complete lockdown. Do a TOTAL lockdown right now! 20%+ of tests in NY are coming back positive, so the State is, proportional to people infected, still massively undertested (only 6.5% of results in WA are coming back positive), and the number of people carrying the virus around is survey four times as many (at least 30,000 people rather than 8,000 confirmed positives). If there is not a 100% completed lockdown, save hospitals, police, fire, and some grocers, there will be devastation in NY three weeks. 16 counties in Northern CA, including cities of San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland, Berkeley, etc., have been in a lockdown since Monday. It can be done. The entire state has been in a real lockdown since yesterday. Don't expect the federal government to help when the state is not even fully locking down. Hold the Governor culpable.
Brooklyn Dog Geek (Brooklyn NY)
@RSSF Those CA locations aren't in "lockdown", they're under the same decree that NY changed to today. He has literally done the exact thing that you're asking him to do--NY is now "sheltering in place".
L (Empire State)
@RSSF: How will New York State this coming Monday be different from California? Seriously.
RSSF (San Francisco)
@Brooklyn Dog Geek There are difference between the more restrictive shelter in place order in Northern CA, the ones enacted by Gov. Newsom yesterday in the state, and the ones in NY. E.g., in Northern CA, manufacturers and construction crews cannot operate -- the Tesla plant was shut down. However, NY allows manufacturers, construction companies, and all kinds of repair facilities to operate. If NY wants to operate more permissively that's fine. More people will be affected and ultimately provide greater "herd immunity" for the rest of the country during subsequent waves.
James (Wilton, CT)
Just over 150,000 people die on the planet each and every day. It is the way of the world, we all will die at one point. Coronavirus has added about 150 to the total each day. For each one of the coronavirus victims -- each of whom can be matched statistically to many others who died the same day at the same age and with similar health problems -- 1,000 others died without the world economy tanking. The worldwide hysteria is exactly that, similar to those who tan at the beach and worry about a great white shark attack when even their chance of melanoma is 1,000-fold more likely. Even in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, or Seattle today, there will be many more deaths from just the ravages of alcohol than from the coronavirus. And yet the world does not have a "sky is falling" feeling just because liquor stores remain open. Human nature is certainly bizarre and most importantly mathematically suspect.
Justin (Florida)
@James While I agree that panic is not useful, you're on a site that has numerous articles detailing the dangers of not taking extreme measures early in the virus cycle. Look at the latest models showing that moderate to no measures will result in over 75% of the population becoming infected. Napkin math reveals that such a number would result in millions of deaths.
RSSF (San Francisco)
@Justin Fully agree with your comment. I don't think people fully "get" compounding or geographic increase -- how you can get from one to a million very quickly in a matter of weeks. If a state has a laissez faire attitude and is not taking precautionary steps, they should also not expect federal help.
Megan (Philadelphia)
@James you do realize a novel virus like this can mutate to deadlier strains if left to run rampant?
Matte (Cone)
Tell Cuomo that Bicycle shops are ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES. If a delivery guy gets a flat tire where is he supposed to go? If he can’t fix it then he won’t be able to make money, we won’t be able to get food and one less delivery person is out there keeping the city and the economy (or what’s left of it) going. It also provides the safest way to get around for people as it is naturally socially distant. Why are auto shops on the list but not bike shops?! It makes no sense. This needs to be resolved by the deadline or we are going to see a domino effect in the collapse of tools people need right now to stay sane, happy and healthy.
GMooG (LA)
@Matte A bike isn't a car. Any self-respecting bike messenger or delivery person can fix their own flat, or any part of a bike, in 5 minutes.
MJM (Newfoundland, Canada)
In the photo of Gov. Cuomo, he and the two others at the news conference are not observing the six foot social distancing needed to slow down the virus spread. On Canadian tv, everyone at a news conference is six feet (two metres in Canada) away from each other. So are announcers reading the news or interviewing on tv. It looks like many people in the US aren’t taking this seriously, not even the leaders. Trump sure isn’t.
KS (Not USA)
@MJM Looks like both Trump america and Liberal America are on the same(wrong) side on this one
@MJM They all want to be in the photograph and TV shot. That's the politicians' way.
Sharon (Beaufort, SC)
What about civil service employees who are not police, fire, sanitation or transit workers? Are administrative employees of the City of New York considered essential? Are any allowed to work from home? Will non-essential employees of the City of New York get paid if they are ordered to stay home? Same for state and federal employees. No mention of them in this article.
John Farrell (Yonkers, NY)
Mayor de Blasio constant criticism of Donald Trump is foolish. There are 49 other states and 3,000+ counties that will be competing for federal help. He acts as if New York City is the only place looking for help. And when it comes to not responding fast enough to the situation, wasn't it the Mayor who just five days ago was still going to keep schools open and put 1,000,000 kids together in closed rooms each day?
Lu (Brooklyn)
@John Farrell we have 50% of the known cases in the country. we do need more help.
Tom Mi (New York)
Time for New York State to close the borders and declare independence from the Union!
John B (Chevy Chase)
@Tom Mi As someone raised on a farm in upstate NY I suppose I should welcome NYC's departure from the state. Just be sure to take all of Long Island with you -and Westchester County as well.
Debbie (Santa Cruz)
It's about time Cuomo.
Scott K (Atlanta)
The smartest, richest, and most Democratic and superior people in the world live in NYC. Surely, they can come up with solutions better than Trump can generate for the rest of the country. Please show us the way.
ArabellaT (NY)
@Scott K - Sure! You are reading the New York Times, which means you will be the first person in Atlanta to know about our plans! Having a sense of humor is important. Knowing a few Yiddish words helps. So kvetch away and blow off stress. In NYC you see people from all over the world. Same thing I've seen in Atlanta. We are all in this together. We will be OK. And if we don't agree on everything, that's fine. We'll work it out. Be healthy and safe, Scott K.
LondonLad (London)
@Scott K Really? Trust me no one is coming out looking smart in this debacle. Don’t believe the hype.
Rev Winton Dupree (UK)
@Scott K They could hardly do worse.
Georges Ugeux (New York)
There is something pathetic in the fight between the Governor and the Mayor. This is pure politics. Most measures are not enforceable. Asking 70+ people to wear masks that the State does not have is an insult. Forcing businesses to close is insane. This is absolutely unnecessary. The current measures were good enough. We will remember at the next election that he put his own glory ahead of the citizens and the businesses. He looks like Trump: a bullying ignorant.
LondonLad (London)
@Georges Ugeux Well to have a livelihood you need a life. In my local hospital in London a critical incident was declared in that the ICU had no more beds left due to CoVid admissions. As all London hospitals work together, the neighbouring hospitals immediately took up the slack. But what happens when they are overwhelmed too? If you think you’re not at risk think again. When the healthcare system of a country is overwhelmed, everyone is in danger.
rhianne (Bronx)
Will laundromats stay open?
@rhianne Yes. Laundromats are considered essential services. The following article lists essential services from the NYS Department of Economic Development. Laundromats are included in Number 5 on the list. http://longisland.news12.com/story/41922557/which-workers-are-considered-essential-during-covid19-outbreak-this-list-breaks-it-down
Sly4Alan (Irvington NY)
I voted for Cuomo but with little relish. Boy, what I'd do to have someone, anyone, in White House like him. Decisive, articulate, reassuring competence, and a basic honesty in a time of federal ineptitude and deception. Yes, you Trump.
LondonLad (London)
@Sly4Alan Agreed. Watching him from the UK I loved it. He knows human life is sacred.
Sharon berlan (Manhattan)
We know the numbers are much higher. I am in Manhattan, a cancer patient and started having symptoms monday. Both MSK and PCP said my fever wasnt high enough (topped at 101+) and since i didnt have trouble breathing to stay home. All the signs..dry cough, chills, headaches but dont go get tested. Its too dangerous and they are overwhelmed. So there must be many like me who "may well" have but cannot get tested. I'd like to know if I "have/had" it but may never.
ArabellaT (NY)
@Sharon berlan I'm so sorry! There are many cancer patients in NYC. The ones I know are tough and know how to fight. I hope you will continue to let us know how you are. Wouldn't it be something if, at some later date, you found out you are immune to Covid19? Because you already had it? You must have a tough immune system. Be well and keep up the good fight.
Brian (Canada)
@Sharon berlan I just hope that you get better and survive this crisis.
Bob (Massachusetts)
>>Mr. Cuomo said New York was now testing more people per capita than China or South Korea. NOW we are....2 1/2 months into the epidemic! Way to go! The political class can pat themselves on the back! Great job Brownie
Lu (Brooklyn)
@Bob do you not remember that 3 weeks ago, you had to send in the few test the cdc made available back to the cdc. i am no cheerleader for either the governor or the mayor, but the lack of testing is not a crisis of lack of state/city leadership. that fully sits with our president.
Susan (NYC)
Trump should step up and use his hotels as medical centers.
H. Clark (Long Island, NY)
It's no secret that Trump despises New York. It's a Blue State with a Democrat as governor, and NY went for Hillary in 2016. Trump will go out of his way to inflict pain on the state, and if that means refusing to invoke the Defense Production Act, so be it. This is the work of a sadist. Trump's disdain for liberal Blue states is well known, and if drowning, he'll throw them an anchor rather than a life preserver. It's downright Satanic.
Not a sheep (Anywhere)
I invite answers to these questions: (1) If infection would be inconsequential for 80% of the population, why can't only the identifiable 20% who could severely suffer if infected socially isolate themselves? (2) Why are government officials announcing economic measures always accompanied by doctors, but never by economists? (3) Why do they employ military rhetoric, when a virus doesn't have any strategy, except - in a sense - infecting as many people as possible without killing them? (4) Why are civil liberties organizations more concerned about prisoners and detainees being at risk than they are about the infringement upon the rights of free association and assembly?
JG (Boston MA)
1. Anyone can contract this disease. It just happens to have the most devastating effects in the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Kids and young people are also potential vectors and they also live in families, consisting of the more vulnerable. So isolation of the kind recommended is difficult but other confounding factors make it difficult to implement. 2. This is a public health issue and one requiring epidemiological expertise, not economics. 3. Agreed the rhetoric doesn’t match. But provided a simple Lenae through which to view the problem—Americans vs virus. This creates a strong in group norm (which can be altered) in service of beating a common enemy. 4. The prism guiding decisions at the moment are those focused on an ethical frame of distributive justice—essentially focusing the vulnerable (prisoners). Moreover, we forgo higher order needs (needs for expression) for lower order ones (safety security health) in times of crisis. It’s imperfect but on average tends to trend this way. The questions raised here are good ones and these are my best understandings of why things are unfolding in the manner that they are. We should all, however, adhere to guidelines issued by our emergency officials in crisis conditions.
Brian (Canada)
@Not a sheep If only it was that simple!
Felix Pepper (New Zealand)
@Not a sheep 1) Neil Ferguson and his colleagues at the Imperial College have given the answer to this in detail. The short answer is that its not having a functioning hospital system that kills people, and even if everyone over 70 went to live in a cave for a year the hospital system will still collapse. It takes very little to collapse a hospital system and the effect of this virus even on the less at risk members of a population will do it.
zuckerme (cambridge, ma)
PLEASE stop tabulating statewide (or nationwide) totals without at least correcting for state population!! This nonsense misleads people in less populated states to underestimate their exposure, and perhaps neglect countermeasures. California has so far declared the most drastic restrictions, but as of today, a Rhode Islander is twice as likely to be infected. --Mike in Providence
Lisa Simeone (Baltimore, MD)
“Well, as you reach me, I'm pretending that I'm in a meditation retreat, but I'm actually being semi-quarantined in Marin County. Yes, this is very good advice. But did we get good advice from the president of the United States for the first 12 weeks? No. All we got were lies. Saying it’s fake, by saying this is a Democratic hoax. There are still people today who believe that, to their detriment. Speaking as a public health person, this is the most irresponsible act of an elected official that I've ever witnessed in my lifetime.” -Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant, who helped defeat smallpox, and who in 2006 warned of another pandemic in our future https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist/
Avi Houston (Texas)
That Queens test line is perhaps the riskiest place to be in terms getting infected. Stay distant apart, people!!
And yet Joe's Liquors at Central and Louis in New Brunswick has done a brisk business all day today and yesterday. People going in and out. Hanging out in front. Drive ins. Walk ins. This is how you lose a war against a virus, but hey, at least you'll have tequila!
Zozola (California)
Why don’t we create a Maginot line where 1/2the population live in a infinite spring break , while the other side prepares for the next pandemics.
Anne Grady (San Francisco)
We need the Govt to step up and order a shelter in place for all states if this virus is going to be slowed down. Why isn’t, this administration facing the facts and acting right now.
Hendry (San Francisco)
When all these are done, China needs to pay for this!
Jonathan (Oregon)
@Hendry Haven't you heard, they already are through the tremendous tariffs!
John (California)
@Hendry You should ask Trump, FoxNews and Republic party to pay for this. These are the ones we can actually hold.
L (Brooklyn)
Governor Cuomo, please tell me where the distribution points are in Brooklyn so I can get a mask before Sunday.
Lisa Simeone (Baltimore, MD)
“Well, as you reach me, I'm pretending that I'm in a meditation retreat, but I'm actually being semi-quarantined in Marin County. Yes, this is very good advice. But did we get good advice from the president of the United States for the first 12 weeks? No. All we got were lies. Saying it’s fake, by saying this is a Democratic hoax. There are still people today who believe that, to their detriment. Speaking as a public health person, this is the most irresponsible act of an elected official that I've ever witnessed in my lifetime.” -Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant, who helped defeat smallpox, and who in 2006 warned of another pandemic in our future
Jorg Schumacher (London)
Dear American friends, I fear you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. On current trajectory, there will be 140 million Americans confirmed infected in 4 weeks time. With an average death rate of 3%, that will amount to 4 deaths. And that is a conservative estimate as it assumes a non existing healthcare system that could treat the ill appropriately. Trump meantime introduces measures to save the economy, not the people.
Dana (Tucson)
@Jorg Schumacher 4 deaths? That number is going to shock an awful lot of people.
Dr. Tom Hallee (Honolulu, HI)
@Jorg Schumacher If you multiply 140,000,000 x .03 you get 42,000 deaths, not 4. Does change your reasoning?
Tom (New Zealand)
@Jorg Schumacher 4.2m actually. But I'm trying to work out if it will infect that many (140m). Social distancing is at least what half of Americans are doing? We should see the cases slow in 3 weeks by a bunch, but deaths will start peaking then.
HoodooVoodooBlood (San Francisco, CA)
Consider the path humanity has taken after this crises has passed. Perhaps our departure from living with nature in favor of artificial and relatively sterile conditions, has and will continue to weaken humanity's immune systems. Through time we seem more and more tasked with finding new and more effective responses to the meekest, tiniest of creations on Earth, viruses and bacterium. Perhaps these viruses and bacterium are what's referred to in The Bible, Matthew 5.5 - "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth." God may have a twisted sense of humor.
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@HoodooVoodooBlood we need to stop moving into habitats that wild animals are in. read my post above or look up cnn, bats didn't create this humans did.
HoodooVoodooBlood (San Francisco, CA)
@jennifer t. schultz So true....The path humanity has taken is a perilous one...we're like a virus ourselves, quickly spreading across the surface of the Earth and killing everything in our path. we are the worst pandemic this planet has every experienced. Greed will be our legacy.
Lonnie (New York)
The lockdown was the right idea, it will help in a thousand ways, just the difference it will make for the police force will make a tremendous difference. The numbers will go up for the next two to three weeks and begin to stabilize. Many people still have tolerable symptoms and should just climb into bed and ride it out, or so mild, they just need rest and water. Here is what is needed to completely flatten the curve in NYC 1. If you are sick, if you have a cough, a fever, STAY INSIDE...if you need food have it delivered and let the delivery people know you don’t feel good, so they can leave it in front of your door. Wait one minute before you open the door...if you are sick STAY INSIDE. 2. We need food rationing, now that the mayor has his shelter in place , this solves most of his problems, now get to work figuring out how to ration food, to keep all the cowards out there from hoarding, doctors and nurses are on the front lines, but we all can help, and making sure there is food for everyone is the key, go back to shopping like you did before , you are making things worse by what you are doing, some stores have already made rules about this, the mayor has to take charge of this 3. If you are over 65 or have health problems, you must stay inside, if you get sick you will help bring down the hospital system. Stay inside, that’s how you can contribute. We are almost there. Follow these rules and in three weeks all the numbers start going in the other direction.
David MD (NYC)
"The state performed 10,000 tests overnight, bringing the total number of people tested in the state to 32,427, officials said. Around 1,250 people were hospitalized, a hospitalization rate of 18 percent, the governor said. Mr. Cuomo said New York was now testing more people per capita than China or South Korea." In health, it is important to examine denominators as well as numerators. We have more *diagnosed* cases (numerator) than elsewhere because we have been *testing more people* (denominator) than elsewhere which is what Cuomo said in the previous sentence. That is thanks to the efforts of Gov Cuomo. NYT and others should be explicit in not alarming readers by explaining these concepts, perhaps by interviewing a top public health official. Within the coming week if not days, we may increase our Covid-19 testing capacity to 20,000 to 30,000 tests per day or more in NY State thanks to some high speed testing machines coming on-line for the Covid-19 test. (A single Roche Diagnostics 8800 machine can screen 4,000 tests per day. The smaller 6800 can screen 1100 per day). https://www.barrons.com/articles/roche-gets-emergency-approval-for-first-fast-covid-19-test-51584104184
IdoltrousInfidel (Texas)
India tested about 1500 Indian citizens from all over Iran, but mostly from Tehran, before it flies them home. 298 of them have tested positive for Covid-19. That I think is a very good sample size and snapshot at the level of infection in Iran at one point in time. 20%
Tom (New Zealand)
@IdoltrousInfidel Iran is possibly the worst-hit region/country - it's more probable that officials haven't adequately reported figures there. What do you think India is like at the moment?
Lise (NYC)
The recommendation is that those over 70 should not go outside unless wearing a mask. How on earth is anyone supposed to acquire a mask? None in pharmacies, zero available online, none via Amazon. What are we supposed to do - knit them? Sew them out of torn-up sheets?
James (NYC)
@Lise I bought a package of 100 basic face masks on Amazon in December for $7.99. It wasn't for the Coronavirus. I'm glad I have them. Every time I go to Trader Joe's or Whole Foods I put one on.
John Doe (Johnstown)
@Lise, time to bring back garlic nosegays. That will at least insure six foot spacing between us if nothing else.
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@James unless you are taking care of someone with the virus or a health care worker you are not supposed to be wearing masks.
Jim Brown (Forest City, NC)
Has there been coverage of any effort to bring qualified military personnel and supplies into this fight? I read where the Corps of Engineers is being tasked with creating medical facilities. As a vet, I believe the military would want to jump into the fray.
ez (USA)
There may be more COVID-19 cases out there than even testing indicates according to one Chinese study. A quote from a comment on the study: "While certainly not definitive, this study raises concerns about “ruling out” COVID-19 on the basis of combined pharyngeal and nasal swabs obtained at a single time point. Sensitivity will also depend on the technical characteristics of the test and method of specimen collection." See: jama_wang_2020_ld_200018.pdf
observer (Ca)
why won't the other states, get it ? new york has already been overwhelmed-within a week. cases are growing in california in spite of a shelter in place for a week. a shelter in place is very painful to the people in the states that have been locked down, but states that don't have a lockdown are the next ones that will see an exponential rise in cases if they don't act immediately.
Jorg Schumacher (London)
Given previously expressed interest, I provide updates on speed of transmission for selected countries (Germany, France, UK, Italy, USA) , as good indicator for evaluating how well, or not, public health measures are successful in slowing the spread of infections (flattening the sombrero if you like). Outside China, the spread of the coronavirus is exponential, leading to the sharp peak resembling a pointy sombrero. Colleagues and I at Imperial College London have been tracing the 'exponent' in several countries, the higher it is the faster the spread. The exponent can also be expressed in doubling time, i.e. the number of days in which the number of confirmed cases is predicted to double. The advantage of looking at the exponent or doubling time, i.e. the speed of spread based on confirmed cases, compared with the absolute number of confirmed cases, is threefold:
Kerm (Wheatfields)
We gotta do what we gotta do to help return us all back to normalcy. Please Participate! Thank You all who are taking all the necessary precautions again today for tomorrow.
observer (Ca)
we are in for a lot of pain because of governor gavin newsom's state lockdown order but it is in the best interest of the state residents with the global death toll having crossed 11,000.devin nunes's behavior is downright irresponsible and reflects gop apathy-they don't care about us and they don't care about our lives and safety. maybe gavin newsom should close off california's borders to residents from states that do not have a shelter in place in place as well, which exposes california residents to risks from their residents walking around with the infection ? what is the rationale for closing off the canada and mexico border, and keeping non US citizens and residents out if trump and some states won't fall into line ?
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@observer thank you for bringing up nunes and gov of Ok just closed its schools today. as did gov abbot of tx I believe. WY, ID, MO, MS and one other state. padre island in texas had tons of spring breakers. I don't think they can go back home though. desantis and abbot both kept their beaches open until last night. young people said they didn't care. the largest number now of people in hospitals is ages 20 to 54. wonder how many of those also vaped. vaping can damage the lungs just as covid 19 does. it makes the lung scans look like you have broken glass inside them. CT scans show the damage and you can look it up on ny times. that was in ny times last wk.
Joanne (Colorado)
What if New Yorkers aged 70 or older need to leave their homes for, say, groceries or prescriptions, but do not have a mask?
ellienyc (new york)
I doubt if that is something anyone involved in the decision making ever considered. Not to mention fact we have been constantly told there was no point in a mask unless perhaps you were coughing and sneezing uncontrollably. Not to mention fact that for long period Mayor Bill told us we could not contact virus thru casual contact -- had to be sustained contact with one person.
Joanne (Colorado)
@ellienyc No kidding, this is seriously a flaw in the directions, which I am sure other states will emulate. I found two masks in the basement left over from a house painting project. Other than those, I guess we would use bandannas?
Irate citizen (NY)
@Joanne I use a silk scarf. When someone gets close to me I raise it and cover my face below the eyes. Also when I am talking to a sales person.
Commenter (SF)
Clearly there's a vast difference of opinion on what's "essential" (and thus may remain open) and what's not (and thus must close). Here in SF, for example, bars and restaurants are considered "non-essential" and thus must close, but they're allowed to fill take-out and delivery orders. Some businesses stay open even though most people would consider them "non-essential" (auto repair shops, for example, or marijuana dispensaries).
Commenter (SF)
Here in SF, all auto repair shops are considered "essential" and may remain open. In truth, some are and some aren't. If an auto repair shop is fixing a car that's to be used for some other "essential" purpose (for example, so the owner can drive to a doctor appointment), the auto repair shop could well be considered "essential." Otherwise not. SF (for example) doesn't want auto repair shop owners to decide whether or not a customer plans to use the car for some "essential" purpose. So SF just declares that ALL auto repair shops are "essential," and so all of them may stay open.
jhanzel (Glenview)
The reality of these numbers is that, due to the lack of tests (solely the responsibility of previous administrations), we are still on the dramatic upside of the bell curve. From what I read about this virus, millions of Americans will have eventually been infected. Indeed, most will not suffer serious side affects. [And millions will not be recorded unless there is a way to check on a normal checkup. Now I could write one brief paragraph for Trump to read saying just that, well, not blaming everyone else and making false claims. Something that would let people know the REAL truth. Honestly and reassuringly. I checked. I am not eligible for unemployment, since Trump never hires any sane writers.
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@jhanzel lack of tests are not due to previous admins. each virus has a special test. it is not one test can be used for all viruses. also, they have to test you for flu, strep throat (that has a rapid test which takes around forty min.)before they swab you for covid 19
Mike (Maine)
@jhanzel just an fyi.... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/06/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-blames-obama-limits-coronavirus-test/ "...........Honestly and reassuringly." Not possible with the current admistration.
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@jhanzel lack of tests are not due to previous admins. each virus has a special test. it is not one test can be used for all viruses. also, they have to test you for flu, strep throat (that has a rapid test which takes around forty min.)before they swab you for covid 19 also when trump came into office they had a global pandemic response team set up during the ebola crisis with 20 professionals who deal and dealt with pandemics. It was part of the national security counsel. all of them were fired by trump. trump along with Bolton gutted the NSC and Pompeo has gutted the state dept. only trump sycophants are left in all depts.
Commenter (SF)
'Why are construction companies considered "essential"?" What's "essential" in one area may be "non-essential" in another area -- or maybe the business in question just has better lobbyists. In SF, for example, auto repair businesses may stay open, and most do (after all, someone might need a car to be repaired so it can be used for some other "essential" purpose). The same goes for mental health professionals, who remain open. Here in SF, there is no enforcement of the "shelter in place" rules against individuals, but they're very strict about closing down businesses deemed "non-essential."
Commenter (SF)
"Cuomo on Friday [ordered] all nonessential businesses to keep their workers home .... " As SFers have learned, there's a big difference between "non-essential" businesses, which must close, and "essential" businesses, which may stay open. What's "essential" in NY may differ from what's "essential" in SF. Here, for example, all marijuana dispensaries are considered "essential" and thus may (and do) stay open. Yesterday, my son drove past numerous closed "non-essential" businesses in SF, but there was a line around the block (with everyone spaced 6 feet apart) at the local marijuana dispensary.
josh (detroit)
I live in Detoit. Last week a neighbor of mine, age 43, poor and without health insurance, died in the hospital of a "lung infection". Did he have Covid-19? His family told me a test was unavailable when he entered the hospital 10 days ago. They will never know. God help all the old folks who shook hands with his widow at the funeral. What we are being told here is that test are only available now by order of a doctor (for those who have one!). As for treatment Kaiser estimates cost to be $1,500 with full healthcare coverage and +/-$20K without coverage. The lack of testing and daunting cost of treatment is a moral and social travesty of the highest level. But, it's what poor people and uninsured deal with every day in the land of greed.
Why are construction companies considered "essential"? There are multiple large projects in the "shelter in place" areas of the county that are not "essential" to anything other than the large corporate investors or companies that are having a new building or space built. Meanwhile thousands of tradespeople are putting themselves and their families at risk by being forced to go to work. These projects need to shut down for at least 2 weeks during the "shelter in place" orders. I'm surprised the labor unions are not fighting this in order to keep their members out of harms way. Largest Pandemic in recent history yet the projects are still being worked on.
Sandy (NY)
@SDR When I walked outside in NYC today, I noticed the same thing. Tons of construction workers working on projects (and wearing precious N95 masks!). There’s no way these projects are “essential.”
NA (Southern California)
@Sandy Same case here in SoCal. N95s are part of construction workers PPE. Fab shops are also currently open and working away. I doubt all their projects could be considered "essential" or "critical".
Louise (Midwest)
@SDR Thank you for posting your comment. My 58 year old family member works for a small upstate building firm. He is also the only local person to provide help for another 85 year family member. If he gets sick, she’ll get sick. Tradesmen should only be working to provide help in emergencies such as non working toilets or failed water supply. This makes no sense.
Ben (NY)
Preparation is possible. And preparation (mostly by the federal government) could have made this a lot more manageable. Preparation on the local level is also necessary and clearly wasn’t done well enough, here. It’s hard to have any patience for city leaders, especially Corey Johnson, when they’ve seemingly been more concerned about shaping their political bona fides than in properly running the city government. I’m talking about the unnecessary campaign against horses in the park, banning foie gras, banning sales of fur, etc. It’s a lack of focus on the things that are important in the city. There was clearly no focus or preparation on something that falls squarely within the realm of fundamental governmental responsibility, and a focus on things that really aren’t important to the proper and effective operation of government within the city of New York. The same can be said for the federal government and its bogus priorities as well.
Mike Jones (Colorado)
The precision, rapidity, and ruthlessness with which the global billionaire elite and their corporate media allies are re-asserting their dominance through this "crisis" is staggering. Not that their power ever really was diminished, but it got called into question by Trump's election in 2016. But, they clearly re-grouped systematically, saw their opportunity early this year to fabricate a "pandemic crisis" of epic proportions, and then turn it into an actual likely 2020 economic crisis that could ultimately further consolidate their power and market share. Early 70s, late 70s, late 80s, 2000, 2010, and now, right on the mark, 2020. First, eliminate any possibility of a Bernie presidency by starting the market meltdown and "epidemic scare" right before Biden's crucial SC and Super Tuesday votes. Then, just sit back and let the chaos ensue, assured in knowing that they can pick up all the straggling broken market pieces after they install their Biden puppet in the White House.
Anne (Portland)
@Mike Jones: It's real.
Mike Jones (Colorado)
Nope. You've been lied to. 80-90% of people who contract the virus have zero to mild symptoms - this has been admitted by the "health professionals". People with zero to mild symptoms are not going to bother going to the doctor or to get tested, and they especially will avoid doing that in this unprecedented "enforced quarantine" situation for positive tests. Because they don't want their lives upended for having sniffles or a cough. What does this all mean? It means that there are likely hundreds of thousands if not in the millions of people out there who have the virus right now! Not the 20,000 number that is being put out there. So, we currently have 200 deaths among likely hundreds of thousands of people who have the virus. That is the fatality rate of the flu! Either the "health professionals" are too narrow-minded to see this (book smarts often does not correlate with real-world intelligence), or they are deliberately misleading the public. But, the net effect has been to shut down half of society and economy (with the willing assistance of some notable mainly Dem governors) for what is essentially the flu! That is why this "crisis" is a total FABRICATION.
Dr. Reality (Morristown, NJ)
This may be the biggest mass hysteria to ever take place. Isolate yourselves, sure, but look at the facts: Fact #1: In the last 90 days, 13,500,000 people have died from various causes (150k per day). 10,000 deaths have been from CV -- that's seven hundredths of one percent or .07%. Fact #2: The virus peaked in China where there was no containment for months and is basically over. Fact #3: Supposedly 3% of people infected die, compared to only 1% with regular flu. Big deal. It's not like 1% vs. 20%. Yes, even one person dying is sad, but it does not justify worldwide meltdown and mass hysteria.
Chris V (Michigan)
@Dr. Reality correction on several points. First, the death rate from flu is not 1% but 0.1%. Big difference. Second, and the more concerning issues is that the approximate death rate from CV-19 is not a static number. This percentage will drastically increase if hospitals are overrun by those infected. This not only has the potential to increase CV-19's death rate % but also the overall death rate due to hospitals not being able to manage other life threatening issues
Dr. Reality (Morristown, NJ)
@Chris V Correct as to .1%, but still does not justify mass panic.
William M. Palmer, Esq. (Boston)
@Dr. Reality Your stats present a major distortion of reality: First of all, a significant majority of deaths are from diseases of aging: cardiovascular disease, cancers, brain degeneration. Those are steady -and with limited exceptions their causes are not infectious. SARS - CV - 2 is highly contagious - including from carriers who have no symptoms - and is an order of magnitude (10x) or more more deadly than the flu.
adam stoler (bronx ny)
no: playdates, no family gatherings no weddings, no picnics , NO means NO. for a country so infatuated with the diochotemous in daily life, what is so hard to grasp here?
Outofbox Dock (Carolina)
Seriously? You’re going to restrict the 70 to a different degree than everyone else? I’m not sure that’s legally defensible: even in this circumstance. But, if you’re thinking you could need a new driver’s license all of a sudden, I might know a guy......
David Berk (Phoenix AZ)
It’s no surprise that cases are expandind at an increasing rate Doubling every 7 day it takes 17 weeks to go from 1 to 100,000 Only 10 more weeks to go from 100,000 to 100,000,000
blondiegoodlooks (London)
@David Berk The increases are almost certainly deceiving. There was an enormous backlog of people who did not get tested due to insufficient tests. Supply will probably not meet demand for another week. Because testing has increased dramatically, the number of positive cases has increased dramatically. We have to hope that, in the next few days, the number of new cases will stabilize.
Alex (NY)
@blondiegoodlooks I think that's probably wishful thinking about the number of new cases stabilizing over the next few days, especially in the U.K. which has reacted quite slowly to the pandemic.
kj (Portland)
I cannot believe there is no sanity at all among the so-called leadership of this country. Can they pressure the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment. Trump is incompetent. All the giants of industry should pressure him to resign or invoke that amendment now.
bsb (ny)
How can we get de Blasio out of NY. He is by far the worst Mayor in the 64 years I have been alive living in NYC. For him to berate the President when he, de Blasio did not order any supplies for NYC until March 6 is unfathomable. Yet, he blames the President for his own failings.The man is so full of himself. His only concern is to put himself in front of the cameras, even when what he says is harmful. He is "playing" with the citizenry of NYC for his own gain. Just what that is is anybody's guess. We should thank Cuomo and Trump for handling this in the most professional manner possible, while de Blasio just whines and gripes because he "dropped the ball". Please Mr. de Blasio, self-quarantine, and lose your phone and internet connection. No more of your advice.
Alex (NY)
@bsb I agree with you about Cuomo, think de Blasio is terrible, but Trump has shown a "professional manner"? Not at all. He has downplayed this crisis from the beginning and overall behaved quite recklessly with the truth. His lack of action can only have made this pandemic much worse.
Me (NJ)
@bsb Trump handled this in a professional manner? Are you serious?
Anna (NY)
@bsb: Trump is less than useless. After some days of appearing serious, he's back to his old ways, making it all about himself and smearing the news media and scolding a journalist who asked him to convey a reassuring message to the American people. His dithering on production of ventilators and masks will cost lives. What you accuse De Blasio of, is exactly what Trump is doing.
I Gadfly (New York City)
Mayor de Blasio is right in criticizing Trump because Trump has lied about medical supplies like the coronavirus tests. Trump’s lie, 3/6/20: "Anyone who wants a test can get a test. Anybody right now and yesterday anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. The tests are there. The tests are beautiful. Anyone who wants a test can get a test!"
srwdm (Boston)
Message to Cuomo regarding “sheltering in place” in NYC— There is an “active shooter” in New York City, and it’s called the coronavirus.
Lisa Simeone (Baltimore, MD)
From the NYT's own reporting: "Trump Resists Pressure to Force Companies to Make Coronavirus Supplies The Defense Protection Act gives presidents extraordinary powers to make supplies like masks. But some of Mr. Trump’s advisers suggest they are adhering to longstanding conservative opposition to big government." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-supplies.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage Trump is a criminal. He is a criminal. So are his GOP enablers. Someday, there will be a reckoning.
Eric (SF)
I hope the gov't gets it's act together asap. This means providing stipends for delivery companies that are notorious for unprotecting their contractors and employees. It's simply humane to provide heavy latex gloves and masks - if they can be found. That's another issue.
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@Eric the gloves are latex but are non-sterile nitrile gloves. it doesn't live on cardboard very long.
Black Swan (Dc)
7000 , that is Daegu size infected, which was largely caused by religious sect, Shinchoenji. S Korea was able to get the list of followers who attended the problematic meeting and track down the individuals and get them tested, treat, quarantine them. That’s how it was handled. Initially the s korean government told the less severe cases to home care and some died of neglect. They switched course quickly and made a large facility available to house those with mild symptoms with in house medical staff Here in NYC that is not the case where you know who the persons are. Treatment certainly is not cheap and government need to step up their game Otherwise we will have many die from not receiving medical care they need
Here in Jersey (NJ)
If only Hillary Clinton were president. Testing would have been readily available and the sick would have been diagnosed immediately. The GOP knew about the crisis in January and instead of telling the public they sold their stock.
jennifer t. schultz (Buffalo, NY)
@Here in Jersey well, in china first case was reported to WHO because they didn't know what the people had who were coming in with pneumonia. the first cases of covid prob started in dec or end of nov.
Richard B (Sussex, NJ)
New York City with its crowds, tall buildings with crowded elevators and especially filthy packed subways provides a perfect environment for this virus to spread rapidly. Perhaps anyone living and working there should receive hazardous duty pay.
Paladin660 (Minnesota)
What about hotels/motels? They are not on the list. Where do travelers trying to get home stay?
Janice Nelson, RN (Park City From Boston)
Your mayor let you down New York. Remember this at election time.
mlb4ever (New York)
@Janice Nelson, RN Since I do not live in the city limits I can not take blame for de Blasio's tenure. However he is in his second term and will no longer be a threat to the City come November.
Steve Mason (Ramsey NJ)
The mayor has done the best job he could under the circumstances. He is below the governor in the pecking order. Where exactly has he failed?
W Raff (New York City)
Failure to test = failure to diagnose = failure to treat = death Blame TRUMP who was warned and ignored the warning.
Vin (Nyc)
Trump just had another angry, deranged press conference where he lied and misled and exaggerated. Curious if the press will continue to cover it in a way that normalizes him, or if they're actually going to inform their readers of the full scale of the lunacy at the head of our federal government. You do your readers a disservice when you fail to mention the sheer craziness of the president's performance.
The governor and the mayor are out of their minds.
Paul (Florida)
Cuomo needs to stop acting like a child - just because DeBlasio recommends it he won't call for a quarantine. Such a large baby. Everything should be shut down including the subway and buses. Look at Italy's experience - that will look very good compared to NY if Cuomo doesn't grow up and call for a 100% quarantine today. Now.
@Paul I think Cuomo has been acting very responsibly. He has been calm and measured. I am very proud he is my Governor. If the subways and buses are shut down, how will the first responders and healthcare providers get to work? Most New Yorkers in the five boroughs do not own cars. What Cuomo has ordered is, in effect, a quarantine. People cannot leave their homes unless it is to go food shopping; to get medical treatment; to go to the pharmacy; to go to the bank; and to get exercise outside, but they have to practice social distancing. Those still going to work must be working for an essential service.
JK (Brooklyn)
Italy has the oldest median population in Europe, 11 years older than the US hence the large numbers of deaths.
Irate citizen (NY)
@JK Italian men smoke a lot. Also, most of deaths, 88% in Italy have nothing to do with the virus but are listed as from the virus because that's how they are recording it there. Look up article in telegraph.uk.. Also, Italy might have free health care, but it's hospitals are by and large terrible.
Vicki (Queens, NY)
Mayor deBlasio: please shut up about Trump and do your job! Your partisan attacks are not helping us. You resisted tooth and nail to shut the schools and you ran to the gym for one last workout before the doors closed. You need to work seamlessly with Gov. Cuomo and all levels of government. The LAST thing you should be doing now is pointing fingers. IF we had a viable backup Mayor, I would suggest you step down.
Rose (NJ)
Mayor Cuomo, I wish you were President Cuomo.
Rose (NJ)
@Rose My brain is so fried — I meant Governor Cuomo NOT Mayor Cuomo!
Atruth (Chi)
DiBlasio blaming Trump for NYC’s shortage of medical supplies is ridiculous. I Why didn’t he as mayor ensure a necessary supply for a pandemic? NYC is a densely populated international hub. Being prepared for a major outbreak should have been an obvious and running priority I am no fan of the WH occupant, but the mayor’s deflection is ridiculous.
fritz (nyc)
I think de Blasio should shut up and let Cuomo lead the state and the city as Newsom is doing in CA. One voice is all we need. It would be nice to know where in Manhattan or Brooklyn one can be tested.
Ben (Brooklyn)
If you are going to order food, please pay in advance including your tip! Allow the delivery men to leave it in front of your door. Avoid human to human encounter. Zap the food in the microwave before you consume. Wipe down services. Wash your hands before you eat.
Nancy G. (New York)
I love how liquor stores are considered “essential businesses”...
SW (Brunswick maine)
This is no joke, to paraphrase Greta, Your house is flooding with unknown cases of Coronavirus. Your inaction will be catastrophic, the time to act is now.
Louis Anthes (Long Beach, CA)
Why are the NY Courts still open? Why hasn't the Governor put New York on Shelter in Place?
Javalin (NYC)
A friend of mine installs elevators in NYC for Otis. His union has directed their employees to come to work because their jobs are "essential" What a load of garbage. They're essential to make the company money, but not essential to have a functioning and healthy city. Pathetic. I hope they are fined $100,000 or more.
Zejee (Bronx)
Elevators are essential. Not everyone can walk up and down 40 stories.
Julianna (M)
@Javalin Of course it depends what they're using them for (so ignore this comment if it doesn't apply!) but most places that install elevators also inspect, fix, and troubleshoot them, and in New York, fixing broken elevators is absolutely essential, now more than ever.
Sven (Brooklyn)
This order is very vague on some points. I run a moving company in NYC. IT says transportation is excluded from the order. Does that include moving companies? I've called the New York State Department of Transporation who we are licensed through, and THEY don't know the answer, which is kind of ridiculous, since they're literally in charge of monitoring my business. My customers who are scheduled to move this coming week at the end of the month, when leases change, are understandably freaking out, and I don't have answers for them. If I send a truck and crew out tomorrow, are we going to get stopped by the police, fined and sent back to base?
Bk_Eater (Brooklyn)
@Sven Let us know, via a reply, if you manage to track down any info on this? I am in the same boat as your clients. Thank you, for being proactive. I have also not found anyone who knows what to do - realtors and real estate attys alike.
Judy (NYC)
Oxiris Barbot, New York City’s health commissioner told people returning from Wuhan in January to go out and about their business and go out and enjoy the Lunar New Year. No need to stay inside in quarantine, she said. We are enjoying the fruits of Barbot’s advice.
CK (Christchurch NZ)
NZ is ahead of the curve on this one. Check out nzherald.co.nz and RNZ news. I just read that that NZ police have stopped drive/drive check points.
PMD (Arlington, Virginia)
Trump is schooling his base to say “Chinese Virus” when the rest of us are thinking Trump Virus, Trump Debacle, the Bone Spur Deferral President etc.
Usok (Houston)
The normal death rate of Coronavirus is between 1 ~ 2% based on experts and past data. The death rate (DR) equals to the total number of deaths(TD) divided by the total number of confirmed patients (TCP). DR is pretty consistent of all diseases and so is TD. One can obtain the actual confirmed patients by DR/0.01 (upper limits of confirmed patients ) and DR/0.02 (lower limit of confirmed patients). These numbers will not the same to current TCP due to lack of testing kits. Experts should know these.
Ralphie (CT)
Insanity prevails. We will drive ourselves into a depression with this, and how many lives will be saved with these draconian measures v. voluntary social distancing, quarantining the ill and vulnerable -- and assiduous handwashing. The authorities haven't come out with an explanation except a panicked plea that unless we do this blah blah, we're all going to die. That's not true. It comes down to economics v public health. We have an interest in maintaining public health, and we need to prepare health facilities and personnel to meet the challenge -- and we should all take precautions. But I want to know how many lives these draconian measures will actually save. There's no way to measure it at this point. Either the politicians are lying about the severity of CV, or they are not telling us how dangerous it is.
Robert James (Cambridge, MA)
Most likely there are a lot of false positives. Most states are seeing 1% positive tests, as opposed to 23%.
Me (NJ)
@Robert James Citation please.
Nature (Knoxville)
Mayor de Blasio is completely off base blaming the Federal government for supply shortages. He should instead be directing his ire toward Albany. Decades of Certificate of Need statues and laws have crippled the abilities for companies and people alike to buy or improve healthcare equipment, hospital beds, and supplies.
mm (NJ)
We need antibody tests so that people who are immune can do some of these jobs.
Gourmista (Canada)
@mm my understanding is that we do not yet know if having and beating the virus even generates immunity. It isn’t always so for viruses (eg, the four most common coronaviruses that are responsible for many infections and re-infections of the common cold).
leftistMD (manhattan)
for those of us in Manhattan who live downtown, let us remember how health care executive greed and mismanagement led to the closures of two hospitals, Beth Israel Downtown and St Vincent's in Greenwich Village both equipped with ICU beds and staff. hospital closures put communities at risk, particularly during unexpected crises. public health and community health need to be a higher priority once this first wave of the epidemic passes, but it will return this fall. Let's hope that NYC plans on new hospital development.
Fred F (New York)
@leftistMD True! And you can thank Bloomberg and his real estate cronies for closing at least St. Vincent's! How people considered him for President is beyond me. He was all about serving the wealthy, even at the price of health of everyday New Yorkers.
Bill (Manhattan)
@leftistMD Let"s not forget that City Council Speaker Christine Quinn aided and abetted the closing of St. Vincent's instead of fighting to keep it open.
Zejee (Bronx)
Don’t worry, we won’t forget.
tanstaafl (Houston)
I believe that New York state is doing more than half of all Covid tests in the U.S. New York and Washington are the only states that have testing right. Down here in Texas we might as well be in a 3rd world country. Actually, that is an insult to 3rd world countries. I can't get a test despite having flu-like symptoms and testing negative for flu and strep. They claim that there are on 11 Covid-19 cases in Houston. ELEVEN cases, in a city of 2.5 million with a big international airport.
Nature (Knoxville)
@tanstaafl Please explain " the only states doing testing right" assertion. Are you saying the tests that were done in our ER for the past two weeks are wrong in some way? I love how non-medical professionals somehow get an overnight PHD, DO, and MD from reading articles on the web.
Caren (Texas)
There are more than eleven cases in Houston. Many surrounding counties are included in the Houston metropolitan total. As of now, Harris, Montgomery and Fort Bend have community spread. My parents live there and they are both 70 . They are staying at home. Where I am in Austin, we have community spread too. We have a total of 49 causes in Travis and surrounding counties. We can’t get tests because there are not any. Our Federal government didn’t provide them. Knowing if you have it or not doesn’t cancel out what everyone should be doing. Which. Is staying at home. ALL of us will get this virus. Even if you tested now, if it was “negative” it would be positive later. The Federal government had time to act in December. They didn’t. Now, testing honestly doesn’t matter. Stay home and quit going out. Ride this out by following directions. If it becomes hard for you to breath then call the ER. And go in.
Minmin (New York)
@Nature —all I think he means is that you need to have accurate numbers p, ie accessible testing. The guidelines were so strict (still are to some extent that the numbers simply aren’t known.)
KMW (New York City)
I would like to say that the employees of pharmacies and supermarkets in New York who are working overtime to restock products have been extremely kind and helpful. They are putting their health at risk and should be appreciated. They are often overlooked and should be given much praise at this very difficult and trying time.
Pigsy (The Eatery)
@KMW The very same people that so many in this country feel don't deserve a living wage.
Emily (NYC)
People here who, under normal circumstances, would recover from the virus will die due to shortage of health care workers and supplies. For any "young, healthy" people who are still not too worried about catching the virus, thanks to the incomplete information that was being spread up until just a few days ago (yes I am very angry about that)—start worrying.
Bob (New York City)
As a healthy 76 year old, where am I supposed to get a mask? Stores in New York City have been sold out of masks, wipes, hand sanitizers, etc. for weeks.
Mel (NY)
@Bob From the federal government. They should be providing these basic things-- and if they are in short supply-- they should be ordering factories to gear up and make them. But Trump and the GOP say this goes against conservative values.
Mandylouwho (UK)
@Bob my backup plan is to get a tissue (is that what you call them in the U.S.?) put that over my nose/mouth, then tie a scarf over that. Then check whether I can breathe. Probably not much use but better than nothing if someone is coughing on you.
H (NY)
@Bob I got a 3M N95 mask from New London Pharmacy 246 8th Ave. on Wednesday. They're between 23rd & 22nd St. Try them phone 212 243-4987
CK (Christchurch NZ)
The USA biggest weakness is that the government is not involved in the public health system; private insurance companies are. Both China and NZ cut out the middle men/woman and deal directly with the health system and that's why we're containing the virus. People before profits.
Louise (NY)
@CK If our current government was involved with public health, thousands more would die while tRump praises himself as a brave soldier fighting the war on COVID-19 (while cameras catch him playing golf). Yes, it is profits before people, but tRump is all about profits.
Richard Monckton (San Francisco, CA)
Simple math tells you that within 200 days from now more than half the US population will be infected and, unless an effective therapy is discovered, about 10 million lives will be lost. If Trump, instead of denying the seriousness of the situation and disbanding Obama's panel of scientific advisers on pandemics, had acted in accordance with the gravity of the pandemic, the situation would be very different. This makes Trump responsible for millions of lives that will be lost, like it or not.
Gargamel (New Yawk)
@Richard Monckton No math is simple here; do not oversimplify a non-linear progression in order to gain a sense of control...it's difficult enough without additional conspiracy theories in making.
George S. (NY & LA)
@Richard Monckton I'm sure the Donald is convinced that only ones who die will be Democrats.
HL Mencken's ghost (the here-afterward)
@Richard Monckton Nah.. look at South Korea's stats here (see link)...curves are already flattening out. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/ The rest of the site is pretty durn interesting, too. Why am I reminded of a Warner Brothers cartoon from the 1950's that opens with mice invading a suburban kitchen and a era-stereotype housewife screaming and prancing on a kitchen stool? In high heels? I beg you, my fellow chicken littles.. is there something wrong with me?
Michael (NJ)
My wife works at a nursing home in a position often overlooked, often invisible yet extremely important as a first line of defense against infectious disease with no real PPE. She is one of many mostly older women who put their lives on the line everyday to make the nursing home environment a healthier and better place for doctors, nurses, healthcare aids, and administrators in which to work. She is a housekeeper. Daily she moves about her floor pushing heavy carts, entering quarantined rooms to clean up live germs and bacteria so that doctors, nurses, and staff are less likely to be exposed to live contagions. While cleaning and disinfecting rooms she cheers up patients many of whom have been forgotten by family and friends. With her positive attitude, concern for the patients, and the belief that she is making a huge difference to their quality of life she meets challenges daily with a renewed sense of purpose. Though many of the housekeeping staff are not recognized for the behind the scenes work, there was a man who did extol the virtues of the people who do what society considers insignificant. Dr. Martin Luther King said “If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as a Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.” The unsung heroes that need to be acknowledged.
J (Delaware)
@Michael I agree with your beautifully written sentiment completely. I am a medical professional, and I often reflect on the fact that the housekeeping staff do not get the recognition they deserve. They are critical to the functioning of health care facilities and are as important as the physicians and nurses. There would be no infection control without the housekeeping staff. Especially now with all of the disposable items used in health care facilities, like gloves, masks, gowns, pill cups, etc., try to imagine how long a hospital could function if no one emptied the trash.
Dr. Jack (DC)
@J I agree, beautifully written. Many years ago, I did a stint at a large nursing facility, and I am very concerned about the staff and patients in places like that. I can only hope that the government is placing large nursing facilities occupied with those who are often forgotten, as top priorities.
Madeline Conant (Midwest)
@Michael Bless your wife, she is one of life's heroes.
brooklynmama (brooklyn, ny)
Group A - Healthcare represents approx. 17% of our GDP. Citizens 55 and older represent 30% of our population. The smoking rate in the United States is about 15%. Group B - Non-healthcare represents 83% of GDP. Citizens under 55 are 70% of our population. And non-smokers represent 85% of our population. Instead of a $1 trillion Federal aid bill with relatively small checks for every American, why not target $1 trillion in Federal aid for measures targeted to support Group A while supporting Group B by keeping the economy running?
Mel (NY)
@brooklynmama Please read more. Business is shut down because if they do not stop all commerce now our hospitals will be overwhelmed. We do not have ICU units and respirators for the number of people who will need them. In a week's time that will be more clear. But yes, we need to invest also in naming sure health care providers have what they need to be safe in taking care of sick people. This should have been the FIRST PRIORITY and it's alarming that it has been neglected.
brooklynmama (brooklyn, ny)
@Mel I love reading and wish I could find time to do more! Currently working on "Little Fires Everywhere" in addition to The New Yorker plus endless reading related to work (business, economics, public policy). I think one really interesting idea would have been active quarantining of vulnerable populations. This could have slowed the rate of infections requiring hospitalization while allowing the economy to continue functioning.
Darren (O’Neill)
I fail to see how construction outside of hospitals and emergency repairs is considered essential work. Why is it more important that the workers building new offices for companies continue to work while the companies themselves are allowed stay at home, both more safe and at much less risk of contracting the virus? If general construction is not ruled out as essential work the projects will be seen as being able to continue. This will result in no company involved wanting to be liable for stopping the job because of the potential financial liability for delays etc. even if they do want to for the sake of the health workers.
S B Lewis (Lewis Family Farm Essex New York)
Fabulous and essential reporting saves lives. Sandy
Paul (A)
Mr. Cuomo, You were a standout at the start of this, clear, calm, compassionate, fighting the Federal Government on tests and supplies, protecting workers, reinforcing the message everyone has the same role to play and being an early adopter of best practices e.g the exclusion zone in New Rochelle. The public squabble with The NYC Mayor over the definition of “shelter in place” has lowered your leadership score to one similar to flat earth society members and White House advisors. The gap between San Francisco announcing shelter in place and NY State today announcing what is essentially the same thing, is unforgivable and will put you and your ego on the wrong side of history.
Paz (New York, NY)
@Paul and yet when asked by reporters "What does shelter in place mean?', the Mayor answered "I'd hate to be the guy to define it." That's not leadership, and it's not clarity. If you're unwilling to define your own terms, don't use them. Cuomo has been amazing.
Mel (NY)
@Paul Cuomo was also slow to shut down schools. But at least we are now doing the right thing.
Paul (Robinson)
Yes he has been amazing but really messed up the NYC lockdown. Everyone hates Bill de Deblasio however this is so much more epic These two of Italian heritage have turned nyc into Italy.
Lane (Riverbank ca)
On a different point, I tried to fill a prescription at a pharmacy and was told they are out,come back next week, they are not allowed to keep the prescription on hand and call when its comes in.Then we tried calling other pharmacies, was told they can't give information over the phone. Current laws make it neccessary for me to drive all over town checking who can fill the order..going inside to do so unnecessarily increasing risk to pharmacy staff and all others standing in lines..for something that can be handled over the phone.
Robert (Out west)
There is this thing called, wossname, “mailorder,” you know.
Biz Griz (In a van down by the river)
Maybe next time China sources a new virus (How many times has it been now?) they can give us all a heads up instead of denying it for a month and lying about it. Maybe also close down the “wet markets” like the one in Wuhan. Why that hasn’t already been done after Bird Flu, Swine Flu, SARS, MERS, etc. is beyond me...
Alex (Italy)
@Biz Griz . China does not source coronavirus. We have all been warned by China since December and by the WHO about a potential pandemia for years. Singapore and Taiwan having dealt with previous epidemia and put great and efficient plans in place and it worked...US and Europe even though being warned prepare...nothing. Spending money on contingency plans for potential but uncertain outbreaks were not deemed politically viable by all political parties. Hopefully now they will be. A real contingency plan would in the end cost way less than the actual crisis.
Biz Griz (In a van down by the river)
@Alex.. First off China did lie and cover up what was going on, so please don't rewrite history. But yes, I absolutely agree that the US should be more prepared. However, all the viruses have been coming from China over the past 20 years. Wouldn't it be an effective supplement to our pandemic response plan to also not have a bunch of exotic viruses coming from Chinese wet markets? Yes, I think so.
Woody (Rochester, NY)
@Biz Griz maybe next time our president will not lie and deny it for two months to protect his image...
kerri (lala land)
The whole state of NY should be in lockdown like Wuhan. No one in new york should be allowed to leave the state for any reason. Put the national guard on all exits out.
T-3969 (NYC)
@kerri Last time I checked this was a free country. That sure is a slippery slope your talking about.
Cynical (NY)
Emulating the governing tactics of a repressive, authoritarian government that kills dissidents, harasses journalists and is bent on erasing a Muslim minority means we are truly lost as a society.
JK (Brooklyn)
And then LA will be next no doubt when you start really testing.
Cachola (NYC)
So, I must wear a mask. Can Mario tell me where I can get some? Because I was a good citizen and did not buy masks or gloves or even extra groceries. Because I was not going to panic. That’s the kind of idiot I am.
Matt (NYC)
@Cachola There are simply not enough that can be made. They do not have the resources to make them or the machines to make them. That is something that should have been done years ago. We do not stock pile masks. Making enough masks is a moot point this far in.
Trista (NY)
@Cachola search the internet and you will find 100 different ways to make DIY masks out of all sorts of materials. Any mask is better than no mask.
ellienyc (New York city)
Not to mention the fact we were told masks do no good and we shouldn't bother with them!! Not to mention fact that DeBlasio said more than once you could only get this virus from sustained contact with one person over period of time! I think I am seeing growing discrimination against elderly. The other day I (an older person)was asked to move, as I was apparently seen as a threat to a younger person next to me
LS (New York)
Can the New York Times please update their map numbers to reflect this story? I'm counting on you for accurate reportage and your map indicates 4,100 in New York state.
mlb4ever (New York)
It's only a matter of time when the City will be the hot spot of the nation in confirmed cases. Our population and density makes this the ideal breeding ground for the COVID-19 virus. Trump should expedite the deployment of the the hospital ship USNS Comfort and authorize the release of much needed PPE from federal stockpiles to the City immediately. Now is not the time for political bickering. If our so called leaders can not act accordingly, don't expect the public to remain as focused as they are now.
IGupta (New York)
The methadone and substance abuse clinics in Harlem in NYC allow their patients to congregate in clusters of 15+ patients on the street during clinic times. This has got to stop. It is making the residents of Harlem unsafe. Please send the police to disperse the crowds that congregate every day and exhibit unhealthy behavior every day. It is unjustly putting at risk the residents of the area. The clinics are near Lenox Ave and 124th and 125th streets.
Ed (ny)
@IGupta We are all unsafe!
ellienyc (New York city)
In New York City, have not been able to find breakdown by age group for either confirmed cases OR deaths: e.g., 30-39, 40-49, 50-59, 60-69, 70-79, 80-89, 90 and up.
Greg (New Jersey)
That shouldn't matter a whole lot to you, as you should follow the rules regardless of the latest stats.
Mathew Sanders (Brooklyn)
This isn’t the granularity of age brackets you have as example, but NYC DOH is publishing a daily update with some of this information: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf Hope that’s useful!
George S. (NY & LA)
Dividing my time b/w NY and CA leaves me in a total dilemma. Neither seems safe, yet I trust the officials and healthcare professionals in either over most anywhere else. Can we get some clarification. Is the high rate of infection in NY due to conditions there or, more probably, that it is testing more? I need to get back there soon from CA but I'm left wondering if I'd be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Or if all the other States and cities are just still in some kind of "Trump hoax" denial? We need honest information; and we need it now. We can hunker down for a while -- but we cannot "stay in place" or "stay at home" forever. Why isn't the Federal government providing for mass testing? Is this an ostrich Administration too? We need to know how bad it is already and how much worse it will get. For all Trump's "dog whistle" racism referring to a so-called "China virus", the simple fact is that China has addressed this crisis far more effectively than we have.
RES (Seattle and Delray Beach)
@George S. I'd remain in SoCal if I were you. Both places have extremely competent leadership, but LA has far fewer coronavirus cases than NYC, LA's population density is not comparable (and so transmission rates are lower), NYC hospitals will be overwhelmed, and there's more fresh food in Cal at this time of year. I face the same dilemma, but in reverse, from east to west. I don't know when I'll leave Florida for Seattle.
George S. (NY & LA)
@RES Thanks for the advice. Ironically, one reason for needing to head east was to file the taxes. Now that the deadline has been extended I may well heed your advice. Hope you figure out your best strategy too.
Christine (NYC)
@George S. Flying on a plane might be dangerous too, unless you don't eat on the plane and keep wearing a N95 mask.
SomewhereOutWest (WA)
That Trump presser today was a nightmare. Trump needs to stop talking. He is only making this worse. Resign
alex (Colorado springs)
There is a shortage of n-95 masks and we have to get creative!! 1-The military uses reusable masks called NBC masks and these should be lent to hospital workers. They can be gas sterilized after this is over and given back. These protect against biological agents. You can even drink from a canteen when using one 2-3m and others make p100 masks which are better then n95. we should use those. Pay a premium for used masks and get these for our workers we need to do soi about ppe or our health care workers are going to get very sick. and we need pop up hospitals in old buildings like they did in China.
Matt (NYC)
There are simply not enough that can be made. They do not have the resources to make them or the machines to make them. That is something that should have been done years ago. We do not stock pile masks. Making enough masks is a moot point this far in.
Randolph (Utica)
@Matt While it was a huge mistake to not stockpile years ago, and an unforgivable mistake to not retool factories in December when the outbreak started, it is not pointless now. Most models don't show this peaking for at least a month. That's time to retool HVAC and other factories to make more. Even if they aren't up to perfect n95 standards it's better than the makeshift masks docs are using now. My wife is a doc and they're already being asked to reuse disposable surgical masks (not n-95) and other husbands are making masks in their shop from furnace filters. It's desperate out there. Fortunately my wife bought when this was building up in January and the president still saying it was a fake news media hoax.
Mel (NY)
@Matt There are American companies who make masks and Trump should be funding their ramp up to make additional masks. This should have started in January.
john hannon (new york)
DeBlasio has been Mayor for 6 years and in typical incompetent fashion all he can do us point fingers. What a dangerous person to be Mayor when we need a real leader.
Gary (New York)
@john hannon And what is Trump doing? Instead of acting in January, he is blaming Obama.
@john hannon You mean like Trump type real leader.
dairyfarmersdaughter (Washinton)
There is a shortage of supplies despite all the happy talk! Providence St. Joseph in Washington State has asked anyone who can sew to commit to making 100 masks! Think of this again - they are willing to use HOMEMADE MASKS - they provide the supplies... I keep wondering why when this virus first started out the Federal Government did not IMMEDIATELY start assessing the supply situation in this nation - oh, I remember "it will all just go away". I turned off the briefing this morning because except for Dr. Fauci each person has to shower Trump with praise and adulation about what a fabulous job they are doing. I'm glad they are finally involving the military, but they wasted 6 weeks and we are all going to pay (well not everyone I guess - Sentaor Burr is over a million dollars richer).
cmcc (Santa Barbara)
@dairyfarmersdaughter The reason they need the homemade masks is that they are using them to cover the N95 masks and that way they can use the N95 mask much longer before having to throw it away. The homemade fabric masks can then be washed in bleach and reused.
Ed (ny)
@dairyfarmersdaughter I'm pretty sure that the Trump Corporation will be making money out of this tragedy as well.
Mel (NY)
Take away: New York is facing a pandemic with a shortage of supplies "The medical needs include three million N95 masks, 50 million surgical masks and 15,000 ventilators. Health care workers will need another 45 million of each of the following: surgical gowns, coveralls, gloves, regular face masks and face shields, the mayor said." PLEASE press Congress to hold this president accountable. He has moved too slowly and has caused more harm than good so far. We do not have time for knuckle dragging. If we are facing a supply shortage-- the President needs to act. This is urgent. What happens if our health care providers get sick? What happens if they decide its not worth the risk and quit? We already have a shortage of health care workers. Call Congress.
@Mel You cannot quit, Your license will revoked immediately or fired with red mark on your reference such as do not rehire. Truth is if they get sick and fell from fighting force, impact will be very very heavy.
Gw (Bay)
Fauci lying now. He stated the difference between Trump having a "feeling" about a treatment was pretty much the same as a scientist having knowledge about a treatment...give me a break. I'd have more respect for him if he walked off the stage.
Gary (New York)
@Gw What would we do without Fauci? Everything from the administration would be a lie and praise of Trump.
CK (Christchurch NZ)
Close your regions borders to everyone except business suppliers and exporters from NY. Your population is bigger than the NZ population and the only way our nation is containing the virus is by shutting the borders to everyone except legal citizens and residents. It's people coming in from outside that are bringing the virus with them. Close the transport system down, like planes leaving the airport, helicopters, private jets, buses, trains etc that are not transporting essential supplies.
Lu (Brooklyn)
@CK NZ is a series of 2 big islands and some small islands (beautiful, wonderful country by the way). The New York Metropolitan area includes: much of NJ, Much of Connecticut Westchester county on the mainland of NY state, Long Island, and the 5 boroughs of NYC (itself a series of islands as well as portions that are on the mainland). Most of these then border other states. this is a mindbogglingly hard thing to do.
@CK Your description of borer closing little too simplistic. You know that at this moment closing border doesn't have any impact what is happening. It has only effect you do not divert more people unnecessary places. Thsi virus entered every country by travelling people , foreigners and your own citizens last 3 months. Were you this much feverish total border closing in early January? I suppose No then You are very late.
Queens Resident (Queens NY)
Why are most construction companies essential? I’m not speaking about emergency repairs and building hospitals, but are renovating offices, building condos really essential?
Andrew (New York, NY)
@Queens Resident Truly unbelievable. Where will the wealthy park their money as the stock market continues to collapse?!
South Of Albany (Not Indiana)
I saw that too. It’s offensive
Erik (Westchester)
One gentleman in New Rochelle directly or indirectly infected dozens of people several weeks ago. Why in the world do we not know the status of those people? One thing I think we do know - none of them have died. Maybe 95% have made full recoveries with no major issues? Report, please.
CacaMera (NYC)
Shut down airports for commercial passenger flights and halt all construction/renovation work in apartment buildings. We do not need the extra traffic of people in our buildings. Entry to buildings should be limited to those who reside in the building. All churches and other religious institutions should be ordered shut down.
lzolatrov (Mass)
Gee, Mayor De Blasio (not a favorite of mine) who has endorsed Bernie Sanders, has been pushing for a "shelter in place" for days now and Gov. Cuomo (definitely not a favorite of mine) who has endorsed Joe Biden, refused. Funny how that looks now...one guy gets it and one guy doesn't. Still, MSM is pushing Biden as the nominee. And where is Biden these days anyway? He's been conspicuously absent.
Julioantonio (Los Angeles)
He continuedly refers to the Covid-19 virus as "the Chinese virus" because he wants people to start viewing China as the new enemy. That is why Pompeo used the same phrase and is now mentioning "the Chinese Communist Party" as the culprit for "hiding information". Communist and Chinese together. It's feeding into people's fears, preconceived ideas. Nothing works better than bringing back "the good old times" of the Cold War. Since this is a new virus, China informed the WHO as soon as it realized what was coming and the US was also informed. Everything else is just propaganda. We always have to have an evil adversary or enemy. We have three now, according to Pompeo: China, Iran and Russia. This is never ending. So when they use the erroneous term "Chinese virus" they know exactly why they are using it and hope it becomes part of the vocabulary of a segment of the US population.
Concerned Citizen (Anywheresville)
@Julioantonio : that's ridiculous. There is no debate whatsoever that this virus STARTED IN CHINA. It has nothing to do with race, nor with Trump. It is simply factual.
Don Juan (Washington)
It was high time to close things down. People have to stay home. If they don't, we may have martial law (Trump would love that). So, folks, be kind to one another and stay home. For those who deliver our groceries and meals, yes, they are risking their lives so you don't have to. Don't be stingy with the tip!!
Peace for All (NM)
Please stop the blaming of everybody and every institution!!! Instead, Mayor de Blasio should be leading with a message of hope and strength, and by asking everyone to do their part to fight the spread of the disease. It seems that NY City life was not altered as early as it should have been, in ways to contain the virus, but here we are. Please Mayor, fight with the tools you have and work with Governor Cuomo, who has a grasp of the situation, and is inspiring the best of cooperation with the federal government and NY's wonderful people!
djpo (Vancouver)
South Korea has been using hydroxychloroquine (part of their treatment guidelines) for the last two months to treat covid-19 with no apparent side effects. For those with more than mild symptons or elderly prompt treatment is advised (500 mg dose daily for 10 days). So far they have only 59 critical care patients so something must be working.
B. (Brooklyn)
Brand-name Plaquenil is used for auto-immune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus when steroids such as prednisone are not warranted. Can affect eyesight, but that could be monitored. I hear now, however, that high doses of Plaquenil have not been efficacious in treating Covid-19.
djpo (Vancouver)
@B. What source?
JM (San Francisco)
With 40% of the coronavirus cases in New York, why is Trump refusing to help their Doctors and Nurses get the critical protective gear they direly need? What kind of President dismisses desperate requests from state Governors with: "they should try getting it themselves; we are not shipping clerks". This is just criminal. Remove this dangerous man from the Oval office immediately!
Homebase (USA)
@JM The federal government is purposely outbidding the states for the necessary supplies to use for ICE. Therefore the states can not get the needed supplies and people have to make them. Between learning that and the senators shorting the market for their ill got got gains. One the wife of the head of the stock exchange. The callousness of these people is simply hard to comprehend. Trump and his group are working against us!!!! They continue their venal revenge on anyone who is not white, male and rich, so they do not care if people die. They are nihilists.
Ralphie (CT)
@JM That story isn't true and you know it. It was a misleading headline in the Times; what was really said was Trump told them to try and get whatever they needed themselves as it was the quickest and most efficient way to do it. He didn't say you're on your own or other such nonsense.
Matt (Arkansas)
@JM Trump is correct. That's the job of the governor. It's not Trump's job to make sure New York has enough band aids.
uga muga (miami fl)
"Most barbers do not own six-foot scissors; most tattoo shops are not supplied with six-foot needles." I suggest you concentrate on your day job and give up comedy.
Cortney (San Francisco)
Sunday 8pm??? Why is this not immediate? New York is exploding in cases and every day counts.
South Of Albany (Not Indiana)
Cuomo has it wrong about NYC. Non-essential anything needs to be shut down. We shouldn’t have mixed messages and do not have time to wait
DK (Philadelphia, PA)
Please can we stop reporting these proportions as being meaningful or without some type of footnote? Without wide spread systematic testing we can't have an accurate denominator. This is 3rd grade math. Meanwhile what the numbers show is some areas are more populated than others and/or are running more tests. Sadly the only statistic we can really count on these days is deaths. Never forget, what got us in this mess of uncertainty and unpreparedness was not a third grad response, but the three year old's response of our President not wanting his pressure numbers to make him look bad. That we still allow this disgusting fool have anything to do with the safety of our very lives is maddening.
G (New York, NY)
What is a non-essential business? The NY Times should make this explicit. Is restaurant (via delivery) non-essential or essential under Cuomo's order?
Paz (New York, NY)
@G it's here in the article: Essential businesses that can stay open include: grocers and restaurants, health care providers, pharmacies, gas stations, convenience stores, banks, hardware stores, laundromats and cleaners, child-care providers, auto repair shops, utility companies, warehouses and distributors, delivery services, plumbers and other skilled contractors, animal-care providers, transportation providers, construction companies and many kinds of manufacturers.
Rose (Lindström)
“Essential businesses that CAN stay open” is confusing to me. This article states they “include: grocers and restaurants, health care providers, pharmacies, gas stations, convenience stores, banks, hardware stores, laundromats and cleaners, child-care providers, auto repair shops, utility companies, warehouses and distributors, delivery services, plumbers and other skilled contractors, animal-care providers, transportation providers, construction companies and many kinds of manufacturers.” To my mind, that means (for example) restaurants and health care providers fall into the same “can stay open or closed” category. Why are some of these businesses lumped together? To me, that seems sloppy. Weren’t restaurants told to close, but allowed to deliver? Does this mean Health care providers CAN stay open or choose to close? If expert guidance remains vague or confusing, I’m afraid quarantining, isolating, sheltering in place, and social distancing will all fall into the head-scratcher category.
anony mouse (NYC)
Where are we supposed to be getting these masks that we're recommended to wear? I had thought all available masks were being sent to our frontline healthcare providers who so desperately need them.
Trista (NY)
@anony mouse make them yourself. There are tutorials all over the internet.
Mme Chauchat (The Magic Mountain)
I am so proud of Gov. Cuomo. I also remember that on 9/11, while the Twin Towers' dust was still blowing through my Brooklyn neighborhood of Cobble Hill, people were like, "where can I give blood?" and delivering water and food to first responders. There was little panic. Just stoic carrying on and helping each other. Still brings tears to my eyes. We can do this New York.
Ivy Lin (New York)
Many NJ companies are still requiring non-essential workers to be onsite on a rotational basis when the work can be performed safely and remotely. These companies are irresponsible and not are not doing its part to save lives and flattening the curve. NJ Governor Murphy needs to be more clear and mandate these companies to stop requiring employees to be at work. We are all in this together. We need to help each other out!
Jen F (NYC)
How about some optimistic and hopeful stories about all the thousands of people who had the virus and recovered with or without hospital care.
Devin (NYC)
@Jen F This is so true. I have a coworker whose husband contracted. He is quarantined, but he is also feeling find and have only taken Advil. I hope that is all he needs and I hope people will be able to shed it quickly.
@Jen F The first reported Covid-19 case in NY was a 39-year-old, female healthcare provider. She and her husband self-quarantined. Neither required hospitalization. She has fully recovered. Don't know if her husband was tested positive for this virus.
ED (Brooklyn)
For five months in 2019, I lived in an NYC shelter. At the end of the year, I was able to find an apartment through a city voucher program. Compared to other shelter residents, I was very lucky. During 2020, I am hoping to save money and rebuild my life. Like a lot of NYers, in fact most, I don't have the option of "working from home" and, in fact, the articles with tips on how to optimize "work from home" feel like a slap in the face. You're talking about the difference between comfort and what is real life and death survival fear. Those tips should maybe best be kept to the celebrity email mailers. We are living in a new Guilded Age when the greatest journalistic institution in history, possibly, is pandering to the wealthy AND fear mongering: Hello! Commenters re: the sudden jump in visual chart graphic without explaining a sudden jump in testing / results. With that in mind, consider: What should I feel / plan for re considering a shelter in place order when I have $4.35 in my bank account until next Friday? How will people like me, who make frequent trips to grocery stores, buy food? To the pointing fingers at people out and about, maybe the elderly woman has no family and must leave her apartment to buy food regularly? Maybe she's totally dependent on a weekly social security check and therefore must leave home once every few days. Maybe those parents couldn't afford childcare.
Thomas (Aarhus, Denmark)
Trump's government refused to use the existing test kits (China, South Korea and Europe) approved by the WHO on Americans, arguing that US companies should manufacture them under CDCs guidance. That is a decision that is probably going to cost thousands of American lives in the near future. :(
Bruce (California)
@Thomas This is something which Congress should look into. Why is the WHO test kit not good enough? It does the job in China and elsewhere in the world. If we had done the testing in January, we might be able to track the patient Nr.1 and contain it from spreading all over the 50 states.
@Thomas WHO never offered testing kits to the U.S.
Tina (New York)
@JD It's still unclear if this happened. We'll probably never know the truth. But regardless, China released gene information on this virus in mid-Jan so that other countries could start making tests and explore vaccines. Most countries jumped into making stockpiles of tests... while US did nothing for 2 months. That is inexcusable.
Jim (NYC)
Why has the Governor not halted all non-emergency construction throughout the state/city agencies?? There are thousands of people working everyday in close contact. This is unnecessarily endangering workers and their families.
We are also learning that We cannot convert Car factories to Aircraft manufacturing in short time. however we just need to manufacture a face mask, but technology is not allowing us to do so. You may hold a ultra Iphone in your hand, but you cannot put a simple mask on your face. Is there face mask app exist ?
Usok (Houston)
In a time like this, we need transparency and honest answers from the Government. We don't need the president in the press conference pointing figure at journalists for telling the truth. We also need actions. Trump declared "national emergency", why did he want state government seeking help for themselves. Trump should have the authority to do useful things for local government big or small. Is he trying to escape responsibility again?
A (NY)
Good restrictions generally. But where’s my mask I’m supposed to wear?
Don Juan (Washington)
@A -- you can order a box from Amazon but it won't arrive until April. This is what we did. Were it not for the selfish hoarding there would be enough for all of us, but it seems that the American society does not care for all but only for themselves.
@A It is on its way , from China.
Mb (Nc)
@Don Juan and you are surprised by that American society does not care for all but only for themselves? Look who is trying to lead us.
george (new york)
There is simply no reason why a New Yorker should "stay inside" if that person lives in an area where going outside (on that person's own property, for example, or where a person can go for a walk or a bike ride or a run or a hike without being anywhere near any other humans) poses zero risk. This sort of decree, which is not science-based, undermines credibility of the government when that credibility is sorely needed.
Don Juan (Washington)
@george -- you mention exceptions. People live very close to one another in let's say, NYC. So, "staying inside" makes sense. Sorry you feel inconvenienced. You may be a carrier without symptoms and just because you don't feel like complying you could imperil others.
Kevin (NYC)
@george Where exactly did the Governor say you can’t be on your own property or can’t get some (solo) exercise? Alarmist interpretations of good advice won’t be helpful in these stressful times we all face.
Joe dog (marcy, ny)
@george you can exercise in a solidary manor, walk or run, but protect yourself and others , stay 6 feet away , wear a mask
Dennis Smith (Des Moines, IA)
New York has over 40% of corona virus cases only because, under Andrew Cuomo’s leadership, the state is aggressively testing as much as it can. Compare that to the shiftless Republican governor in my state of Iowa, who will not test anyone who isn’t on death’s doorstep with the disease—all of a few hundred so far. If states like Iowa tested like New York, the latter’s “share” of positives would drop precipitously.
Kevin (NYC)
@Dennis Smith Your comment also makes me wonder how NYC’s massive tourism industry can ever say with confidence “NY is open again!” when it can’t be certain “x” number of states did thorough enough testing. God forbid that unleashes Wave 2...
John L (Manhattan)
This reporting ought to remind us to take a moment, to acknowledge all the workers, in NY State and elsewhere, from big shot docs to nurse's aides and cleaners, who are working tirelessly, risking their own health by treating us for Coronavirus in our hours of need. Thanks, you are our heroes and the best of America.
Mjhs83 (Long Island, NY)
Our President needs to stop inciting racists by calling Covid-19, corona virus, the “Chinese virus “. We are in a “war” with this virus not the Chinese or the Chinese Americans that will suffer from this type of racist rhetoric.
Don Juan (Washington)
@Mjhs83 -- please let's not forget that this deadly virus (and others in the past) came from China. So, technically, it would not be racist to call it the Chinese virus.
Don’t Be A Racist (Mother Earth)
It’s so racist to call it Chinese virus! To associate a deadly disease with an ethnic group, by definition is racism!
DogHouse49 (NYC)
@Don Juan Words do not exist in a vacuum. Context and intention matter. Trump's intention is clear. Xenophobia is the trademark of his presidency. For an analogy, go look at WWI posters depicting Germans as barbarians.
tombo (new york state)
While Cuomo and other governors are credibly leading their states responses to this pandemic the Idiot-in-Chief is giggling as he makes "Deep" State Department jokes at his news briefing. And if you are wondering why he refuses to take badly needed federal actions or aid state governments you can thank the conservative "movement" for it. They are driving this executive branch criminal negligence. Elections have consequences indeed.
Jenny (Germany)
I don't know where else to get this off my chest, but yet again there's a so- called 'press-conference' at the White House and yet again the podium is crowded. Have they never heard of leading by example? It could be so simple. Fewer people - only those who really know what they're talking about, showing the spacial distance that is recommended for the rest of us mortals. This isn't an ersatz election rally, this is deadly serious.
Conner (Oregon)
@Jenny I'm especially concerned about the poor doctors who are standing behind the podium and look totally exhausted. We need their good health and expertise more than ever, so let them sit down spaced out in the front row of the press room and call them up as needed, then space out the others as they speak. Trump has no concern about the logic of this, of course.
Sue Burns (Guelph Ontario Canada)
My thought is let the good doctors speak and put Trump in the front row with a muzzle. This nonsense that everyone of the experts has to give a nod to the “leadership of the President” while Trump spouts his newly acquired knowledge and in most cases gets it wrong. He hovers beside each of them while they speak instead of yielding the whole space to them. Give him a Wartime President super hero cape, a MAGA cap and a placard with America First (after me) and you can even hang him from the ceiling like some bizarre performer about to land and disrupt the proceedings....just don’t forget the muzzle!
Don Juan (Washington)
@Jenny -- we were given a brain and some of us, common sense. Both lacking here...
JT - John Tucker (Ridgway, CO)
Dr. Fauci and other health professionals are losing their credibility. They should not stand as props sanctioning Trump propoganda, "Chinese Virus," and misleading statements in a briefing that has become a political advertisement to congratulate Trump for his excellence and shift blame to racially scapegoat others- this time, those yellow people from the East. The health professionals that share his stage are now complicit in fomenting hate and racism. Dr. Fauci will command an audience and receive press coverage from any venue. I hope he suggests offering a separate medical press conference that excludes politicians. If he is fired, I'm sure Cuomo will offer a position in which he can be effective. Many people have empowered Trump to stay in positions to do some good- often in opposition to Trump policies. All do more harm than good. We need people to speak truth rather than compromise truth in an attempt to mitigate damage. Dr. Fauci should quit rather than endorse Trump's actions by literally standing behind him. Enough!
Sheila (Boulder)
@JT - John Tucker thank you!
Ignatz (Upper Ruralia)
@JT - John Tucker Yes he should. Cuomo would hire him, or at 79,he can retire. It is BEYOND ridiculous. Now it isn't even different news shows where he contradicts the president, it's the same stage. Trump was given an "old system" 3 years ago to work with? HIS admin. presented a report in the fall that US was unprepared....three years into his presidency. And up til March 2020, he was happy talking and declaring it was a Dem hoax, and now he says it "snuck up on us". LIAR. And to that reporter he was so unbeleivably rude to in his drive to silence the media,a constitutional right to us,...good job. Keep it up. We will listen. Fauci-Quit today. Azar...maybe you too. You were warned in fall 2019 of the US deficiencies...Would a reporter please ask what the Trump admin did up to march 10 to improve? Tucker Carlson on FOX? He must have some friend or family member working in health industry. FINALLY coming out of his deep denial state. They don't have masks. They don't have equipment.
AGoldstein (Pdx)
Crimson Contagion report conclusion in October 2019, weeks before the Covid-19 pandemic: “The current medical countermeasure supply chain and production capacity cannot meet the demands imposed by nations during a global influenza pandemic.” Why did Trump do nothing?
jin (seoul)
i come from seoul and nothing is closed here. we track everyone who is sick and whoever was in contact with that person. those people are tested. everywhere these people went was disinfected and the public is alarmed of when and where these people were so in case you were there at the moment a carrier of the virus was, you might get tested. this kind of just forcing everyone not to move is just going to make people paranoid that they might have the virus. the reality is mosr koreans are staying indoors and practicing social distancing,but we are not forced to and we are pretty sure if we have the virus or not so there is no sense of panic and despair.
UWSer (Manhattan)
The City of NY still has thousands of non-essential clerical and administrative employees required to be at their desks everyday because the City doesnt have the IT in place to work from home. The City has told the employees they are exempt from Cuomo's orders. Why is the Mayor risking employee health?? Gov. Cuomo please help!
Ella Morgan (Seattle)
The coronavirus task force briefings would be much shorter if they eliminated the time spent praising the visionary leadership of the president and republican governors.
JT - John Tucker (Ridgway, CO)
NYC, You have a measure of luck in that you have Cuomo. It is a cold shock- just startling- to listen to Cuomo. I hear a decent man trying to address and communicate the issues, responses and directives to help people and seeking to organize to get a head start on the challenges ahead. This is followed by fawning performances by Pence and the various stage props who may be Docs but are now complicit in aiding the mis-messaging and racism by Dear Leader in what have become solely political ads to absolve Trump from blame, praise his leadership and scapegoat "the Yellow Menace!" These health care professionals should take a stand to protect their credibility. Tell Trump they will only do daily briefings without the presence of politicians that damage their credibility and distort their message. I know they must believe they can mitigate suffering if they are able to maintain their position by saying nothing. Hasn't worked in this WHite House or historically. These people's profession is evidence based. Fact based. They should weigh the evidence before continuing to literally stand behind a man offering misleading falsehoods and providing a racist meme to blame "others."
Roy J Lange (Upstate NY)
@JT - John Tucker +1
Dadof2 (NJ)
At noon today, the 1st NJ state run testing site closed because, after 4 hours it was "at capacity", which sounds like it means they ran out of test kits. Police started turning motorists around. But it's not clear that's why they closed. According to NJ.com: "Assistant Health Commissioner Christopher Neuwirth said tests had not run out, but did not say why testing had closed for the day."
Dan (New York)
Could the authors updating the article on the number of cases in New York please include an estimate of the number of tests that have been carried out nationwide? Without this information, the sentence "New York State, with only 6 percent of the country’s population, accounts for around half of the nationwide total of confirmed cases" is difficult to interpret, and potentially misleading.
Gabe (Brooklyn)
Yup. COVID-19 in the ranks of the FAA. What could possibly go wrong?
Renee Kaplan (Vancouver WA)
How about using the huge Javitz Center as a make shift hospital location?
Devin (NYC)
@Renee Kaplan Excellent Idea! Not sure why a Naval Ship was even considered.
Lisa (Buffalo)
Erie County is begging for test kits. People here think the numbers are low and the virus isn't spreading simply because new tests can't be performed.
Joe B (Norwich, CT)
There are three things you can choose to do in life: 1. Lead 2. Follow 3. Get Out Of The Way This crisis will be resolved through the leadership of Governors. It is now crystal clear that the Trump administration is an obstacle to the process. This current news conference by Trump, is all words, no meaning. No LEADERSHIP. This administration is literally killing people.
Roy J Lange (Upstate NY)
Listening to Mr Cuomo describe the plans and objectives for New York’s response to the threat posed by the epidemic, I was upset when the local PBS affiliate cut off the question and answer portion in order to broadcast the president’s address. Unwilling to hear any more lies from the German Measle, I shut the radio off.
Roy J Lange (Upstate NY)
@Roy J Lange PS I don’t think “Spanish Flu” is a good choice of words, either.
steve (Hudson Valley)
@Roy J Lange They live stream his press conferences at https://www.governor.ny.gov/ . Thank God that he has his before Trump. Coumo has a control of facts, defers to experts and has a heart. I feel that he has it under control. Flash forward to Trump, I felt like vomiting after 10 minutes.
James Shields (Abroad)
A business must keep workers at home?? How exactly? Does he mean to say no one can leave their home? THEN SAY SO!
peter matt (new york city)
How are folks over 70 supposed to buy food? Where are the masks we're supposed to wear? I can't even buy bleach or isopropyl alcohol or toilet paper.
Alex (Brooklyn, NY)
Will the governor's new order include halting construction work?
Odysseus (Ithaca)
@Alex Appears that is a yes
K Shields (San Mateo)
Cuomo is vastly underestimating the intelligence of his constituents. He should have done with CA has done - instead he is dancing around the facts that this is what life will be for the next few months. Please, Mr. Cuomo, tell them all to stay inside!
New Yorker (NYC)
I saw people doing pedi in nail salon at Rose Hill as of Thursday night. I don't understand why New Yorkers care that much of their toe nails at this moment of crisis.
Cath Boylan (France)
Watching the COVID press conference... Some of the questions are serious and genuine. But it's sickening to see a number of 'reporters' - during a global pandemic - continuing to pick obsessively at the president, seeking any and every petty little way to attack and undermine. Seems they have nothing positive to contribute, even in a national/global emergency. It's just 'carry on carping at Trump'. They really are puerile.
Conner (Oregon)
@Cath Boylan If Trump were a real leader, he would know how to answer questions in a measured, informative, and concise manner. Obviously he doesn't know how to do that.
@Cath Boylan Sorry but reporters absolutely need to do this to Trump in a vital election year. Americans need to see how inept, selfish, and racist he is and how his administration has not been up to this job. Most Trump supporters will only watch Fox News which is sanitized and whitewashed to remove all negative feedback on Trump. At least in a live press briefing it might break through the bubble and reach people. I appreciate the vital service these journalists are performing!
Dimitris (Greece)
Please, New Yorkers and Americans, you are walking on Italy's footsteps and worse. Shut down everything now. It is already late. Don't take my word for it, research it yourselves. You are not being told the truth. Germany also lost time and will pay a grave price. When infections reach those numbers I am reading, it is *very* late, as they increase *exponentially*. I really hope I am wrong.
JAWS (New England)
I think Trump is setting things up to blame us for his incompetence with his 15 days to stop the spread which during the news conference was updated to 25 days. Then if it's spreads, he'll tell us it's our fault that we didn't follow his rules.
Greenie (Vermont)
I don't get it. Wasn't too long ago that our government told us that masks don't work so don't try to get them. And now they want the over 70's to wear masks. Where are they supposed to find them now? And I thought they told us they don't work anyway?
Robert (Out west)
Actually, “they,” told you that the over-70 are at the greatest risk, and even limited protection is better than nothing, and that masks do an okay job of keeping the bug IN if you’re infected.
NYC Bear (NYC)
We keep hearing about how we should invoke the War Powers act to immediately build additional ventilator capacity. It is not so simple; these are sophisticated pieces of equipment. It takes time to design and build with existing manufacturing capacity and capabilities. Manufacturers can not simply flip a switch It is just naive to think we can. AND, once we have them, are there the technical ICU nurses to man them. We will never get through this without clear honest assessments and understanding of the process. Some of our politicians are just not up to the task.
Scott (New York)
@NYC Bear It's the Defense Production Act.
Roger B (New York City)
The same regulations for the NY metro area and all of the state make no sense at all. We are now upstate, in a county with ONE case, and next to a county with ZERO cases. There is no rationale for blanket edicts that affect the entire state in the way that Cuomo's apparently does. And even in NYC, what does it do for public safety to tell people over 70 to go out alone to exercise? That's contrary to all good practice.
Sherry Brighton (New York)
@Roger B I am upstate too and have wanted to work from home all week. I hate going into a public building. One case now is 2, then 4 then 8 etc. maybe you see no need but I am glad I can stay home
Robert (Out west)
I take it that there are no convenience stores, tourist attractions, schools with teachers who live 50 miles away, and gas stations where you live.
Ed G (Westchester County NY)
@Roger B I am sure that the people in the area appreciate you relocating there from the most heavily affected area in the world. How do you think this virus has gotten out of hand so quickly? Irresponsible people not taking this seriously. What is so important that you couldn't have stayed where you were?
Lisa (NYC)
"Healthy people under 70 years old should limit their outside activity to getting groceries and medicine, but are allowed to exercise and walk outside, as long as they stay six feet away from others." This is great to see in clear print. Thank you for the clarity. We will not necessarily be held 'prisoner' in our own homes. We can go outdoors. But only so long as we keep 6' apart. This is essential folks. We cannot take this lightly. We've been given the current 'privilege' of still being able to go outdoors. We must maintain our physical distance. If we start to see a trend of people Not adhering to this, then all our rights to go outdoors may be stripped. This Cannot Happen! Thank you for your support and understanding. ;-)
Michael (Miami)
How do you report a business operating in NYC that shouldn’t be? They are finding a loophole and and are saying they are an essential service.
Mikhail23 (Warren, Ohio)
@Michael If they are non-essential (as you seem to imply), they will shut down on their own for lack of patrons.
CacaMera (NYC)
@Michael Name and shame and call 311.
NYC Bear (NYC)
While most elected officials are focused on the care of our NYers, Mr. DiBlasio continues to rail against the federal government and play harmful politics. Hopefully, he will be gone at the end of his term and never have another government job. He does not know how to be a leader. It is amazing how well Gov. Cuomo has risen to the task of being the leader of this State.
CacaMera (NYC)
@NYC Bear Yeah, he is doing a semi-good job now but ALL mayors and governors who participated in this exercise need to be held accountable. What did they do since to secure supplies and get ready, especially since the news of Coronavirus broke in December. "Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
NYC Bear (NYC)
@CacaMera Unfortunately, we always seem to forget in a time of crisis, that we the people, penalize our elected officials when they spend money on capacity and preparedness if it is not immediately needed. How many of us are willing to have our taxes raised to build capacity if it is never needed? Before you answer, remember that our healthcare system would be far more costly if we built tremendous ICU capacity if it was never needed? Also note that this capacity, whether used or not used gets old and needs replacement. Every single payor or government-sponsored healthcare program is struggling. Or would we have built alternate systems if there was no Sandy or 9/11?. Would you spend a few billion today for the next Sandy?
Euphemia Thompson (North Castle, NY)
I am even more proud to be a New Yorker and a citizen under the most able leadership of our governor. Mr Cuomo has guided us with intelligence, facts, empathy, integrity, and with more than a dose of caution. He is clear, focused, and on target. Thank you, Governor. Your innovative approach, analysis, and thoughtfulness are helping to clear a very muddy path, assuaging us, and preventing panic. Be well, and be safe. The world is a better place with you in it.
Toby Finn (New York City)
DiBlasio and Johnson should stop using this crisis as a platform to politic. I feel Governor Cuomo is leading in a calm rational manner. No one could have prepared for this. Our Mayor doesn’t need to be on every news cast.
@Toby Finn Actually, they could have prepared for it. A pandemic was going to happen sooner or later, but the government did not prepare for it adequately. They did not heed the warning of experts and professionals. And that's what's the problem now. I am going to guess climate change, is going to be the same. It's going to be too little too late when government decides to take that seriously.
Sue (Wyoming)
IN my state of Wyoming, it's taking at least a week to get test results back. So, it might not be that New York's number of cases is an anomaly. We just don't know how many people have it if it takes a few days at least to get a test and then takes a week or more for results to come back from State laboratories!
Aditya (San Francisco)
I personally find it shocking that Gov. Cuomo has dismissed ideas of “shelter in place” or stay at home when other states have taken that measure. Coastal cities which are more likely to be heavily hit should be leading the charge in the response. Instead this attempt to save the economy is just a pretty sad reflection of priorities. And the measures kick into place on Sunday? Why? So that thousands more can get infected? Sigh.
Lisa (NYC)
@Aditya I agree. No reason this can't start asap, though that said, most people in my area seem to be already adhering to this....
Joe (NY)
@Aditya Gov. Cuomo is taking the approach used in South Korea. South Korea did not have shut down the entire country to control the virus. Instead they performed rapid testing and tested many thousands of people early. So far, it has worked in South Korea.
Mina (New York City)
@Aditya I agree, I am here in New York City, (Manhattan), and I was asking this two days ago. I just do not understand the rationale about "words matter". Words do not matter more than action and results. Personally, I really do not care what you call it, just take action and get results.
Kevin (Phoenix)
I get the importance of testing to help quarantine, but if folks have symptoms they are being told to quarantine anyway by their doctor, what difference does a test make? If they have COVID19 the test will confirm it and go to the overall numbers. If you have COVID19, there is no special treatment you can get, no special medicines and you can't get admitted until you reach a certain threshold to the hospital anyway. The importance of testing appears to be for those without symptoms who may have been exposed, but even those folks are being told to quarantine. The next testing group appears to be those who are in need of medical intervention by doctors to make sure they are treated correctly upon admitting.
Gini Brown (Berkeley CA)
@Kevin "The importance of testing appears to be for those without symptoms who may have been exposed, but even those folks are being told to quarantine." ........Once this country reached the community spread threshold people were getting exposed by unknown sources, meaning they're walking around with no idea they're contagious, since this virus is extremely contagious thats a problem and why amping up testing is needed. The ship has sailed on any hope of containment, our new hope is to flatten the curve. Obviously extensive testing should have been done before community spread occurred. Once it became clear we didn't have the capability to test extensively, THAT was when sheltering in place should have been called, nationwide. We are now complying with broad shelter in place directives in CA mainly to slow the spread so that health & medical organizations can get up to speed. We are helping these organizations out by staying home in order to buy them (and us) time. It's everyone's civic duty at this point. Hate to brag under these dire circumstances but there goes my beautiful blue state again.... leading the way.
Tricia (West Redding, CT)
Let's make Cuomo the "acting president" for the time being. Empathy, straight-forward procedures, references to historical incidents; incentives for start-ups; explanation of the frightening math; personalization of hardships; taking on full responsibility..... Leadership.
Claire (New York, NY)
Governor: What kind of masks are you asking people over 70 to wear? If not N95, shouldn't it be those under 70 who wear them when they're in the company of older people? So that the latter don't get sick? Or how about just everyone, of all ages, wear masks in those cases? Serious question.
Lisa (NYC)
@Claire I'm for everyone wearing masks, assuming they already had one in their possession and are not buying new ones, thereby impacting the overall supply levels. Wearing a mask Can potentially help...certainly cannot hurt the wearer...and just may prevent others near to us from getting a virus that we ourselves aren't even aware we have.
Bella (NYC)
And where are we supposed to get masks, anyway?
Fred (NYC)
@Claire There are no masks to be had.
MD (Michigan)
I watched Gov. Cuomo's news conference, and I'm watching Trump now. I'd feel a lot more optimistic if Cuomo was at the helm of this impending national disaster.
Javaforce (California)
@MD I’d feel better if Mike Pence was actually leading the Coronavirus effort. I think he would be doing a better job fighting the virus without Trump looming over him.
John (NY)
These NYS testing stories are missing the fact that many people aren’t hearing back about their test results. My daughter and I were tested Saturday. It’s now almost a week later and still no word on the results.
Cordelia (New York City)
I see no point in taunting Trump as de Blasio is doing. This is the same man who only a week ago said that one of his three primary aims in the midst of this looming crisis was to keep the NYC schools open. In one week de Blasio has gone from an ineffectual, feckless, do-nothing mayor to a well-televised, ineffectual and overwrought mayor. By contrast, Andrew Cuomo has shown steady, proactive and effective leadership throughout this ordeal and has inspired confidence among his constituents.
Lisa (NYC)
@Cordelia I disagree. While historically no fan of De Blasio, I think he's done a great job with this crisis. There will always be something to criticize. At the time De Blasio was suggesting we still keep schools open, there were many other leaders etc. who agreed with him. Look...these are stressful times...there's no script...people are doing the best they can with the information and expert advise that is available to them. I think De Blasio has risen to the occasion.
Democrat, NYC (NYC)
@Cordelia de Blasio should just resign already, as he is only causing more panic and fear with his partisan finger-pointing. Now that his presidential aspirations have been dashed, he is doing everything he can to get back into the spotlight. His desperate need for attention is pathetic. de Blasio never had any leadership qualities to begin with and is loathed by people of both parties. It's time for him to go since he obviously does not understand how leaders are supposed to operate during a severe crisis where everyone is affected.
Howie Feinblatt (NYC)
I agree. Let’s move keep moving forward and stop pointing fingers.
Swing State Voter (Purple State)
Isn’t it Interesting how Gavin Newsom is able to project genuine leadership without insulting anyone or any country? And he does this calmly without forcing the people who report to him to debase themselves with unnecessary fawning and icky boot licking?
JM (San Francisco)
@Swing State Voter Never a big fan of Newsom before but he has risen to the occasion. Intelligent, thoughtful and laser focused on trying to get ahead of the devastating effects of this virus.
NYChap (Chappaqua)
New York Testing results YTD 3/19/2020 Total people tested YTD 22,284 Total positive COVID-19 tests YTD 5,713 Percentage of positive tests to total tests 25.6% Total Deaths YTD 38 Percentage of deaths to total positive tests YTD 0.7%
From Where I Sit (Gotham)
The results are skewed by the method of selection. Testing is being limited to those who present identifiable symptoms, limited by the number of kits on hand. Maybe it’s higher or maybe it’s lower. You also ignore the ease with which the virus is transmitted.
NYChap (Chappaqua)
@From Where I Sit - That is all we have right now. Better than nothing. I am not writing a fake news article, or an article at all. I just made a little chart out of what is being made available. If we keep on testing people and have so few deaths that would be great. Unfortunately no one knew we would have to test over 300 million people ASAP so our country was never geared up to do that.
Michael-in-Vegas (Las Vegas, NV)
@NYChap said: "Total people tested YTD 22,284 " Meanwhile Suth Korea was testing 20K people per day a week ago. All US numbers are meaningless until we finally start testing at First World numbers.
Sterling (Brooklyn, NY)
The best thing for the country right now would be for Trump to resign. His incompetence is going to kill us all.
Lynne (Financial District)
@Sterling Maybe the 25th Amendment? He’s not capable of executing his responsibilities as the leader of our country.
Jonathan (Oregon)
@Sterling Both trump and pence need to resign.
vince williams (syracuse, utah)
Andrew Cuomo - Superstar?
PZ, Bronx, NY (Bronx, NY)
@vince williams DOES A SUPERSTAR WORK TO CUT MEDICAID FOR HIS STATE'S RESIDENTS IN PLANNED STATE BUDGET DUE 4/1/20? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CUOMO IS DOING. “Draconian cuts to eligibility, services, and funding will only worsen the capacity crisis we are facing when it comes to caring for the sick, elderly and disabled,” reads a statement from the Protect Medicaid Campaign, a coalition of more than 130 health advocacy organizations. “These proposals directly contradict the Governor’s own words from his budget address, where he said that the MRT process would do no harm to Medicaid recipients.” Bryan O'Malley, executive director of the Consumer Directed Personal Assistance Association of NYS, which represents personal assistants, said that cuts to managed long-term care would strain the health care sector, which is already experiencing staffing shortages during the coronavirus outbreak. The New York Legal Assistance Group, meanwhile, says the proposed changes would hurt seniors and people living with disabilities. “During the coronavirus pandemic, those most at risk (seniors and others with pre-existing health conditions) of contracting and dying from the disease will be the most harmed by these cuts,” reads a press release from the group.
vince williams (syracuse, utah)
@vince williams 36 comment likes are great & thanks. But I was being facetious. It seems he is very ignorant of the supply system and he's blaming his own shortcomings on the Feds. Geez, he can't even get on the same page with the loser who's running the Big Apple.
B A Rhodes (Florida)
Yes, Cuomo = Superstar. Ineffectual Trump should resign, and Cuomo should take over!!
Objectively Subjective (Utopia’s Shadow)
As long as DeBlasio supports shelter-in-place, Cuomo will never approve it. Grow up Andy. Put on your Big Governor pants. I don’t like DeBlasio either, but the way you take every opportunity to slam and undermine him is childish and stupid. Now, it’s also actually scary.
Cachola (NYC)
@Objectively Subjective I have been posting the same thing for days, except in crasser terms.
Marta (NYC)
@Objectively Subjective Yep, they are both acting like little boys strutting around on the playground but DeBo is right on this one. Cuomo calling his decision to invoke shelter in place something different is semantic nonsense. I think all of california pretty much means that particular policy has a commonly accepted name now.
Odysseus (Ithaca)
@Objectively Subjective Cuomo is a wise man, doing his best for all New Yorkers DeBlasio is doing his best to scare people: for whatever reason, he wants people to panic. He is obviously looking for attention. Better he should look for a new job.
cluz (nyc)
are hotels essential services
JM (San Francisco)
@cluz Only Trump hotels and resorts And of course watch...they will be at the top of the list of course for serious federal bail out money.
Fred (NYC)
@cluz Why would they be? There won't be any tourists who need them now and there will probably be very few married people having afternoon affairs for the time being.
Two FACTS from the recent scientific literature: (1) a large number of infected individuals will have mild to no symptoms, especially in the early stage of infection (2) but it is in the early stage of infection (when many are asymptomatic) that the virus is at its most virulent--i.e., asymptomatic individuals who may believe they are "okay" could be shedding huge amounts of infectious virus. It's not rocket science, people! The virus cannot survive if it has no new hosts. Don't volunteer to be that new host! The more we self-isolate (and isolate the virus), the faster this will peak and subside and the fewer lives will be lost. SOCIAL DISTANCING WORKS. Work from home if you can. Limit shopping as much as possible. Keep your distance even if you think you are "okay", even if you are outdoors for exercise and sunshine. Wash your hands!
From Where I Sit (Gotham)
Limiting going outside ones home to essentials is a prudent approach but ignores the reality that in order to obtain even rudimentary supplies requires multiple trips to multiple stores.
Holly (NYC)
@From Where I Sit Agree. This town isn't built with the big box spots that give you everything at once. A reason I love it here but a challenge, nonetheless.
Chris (United States)
Internet still exists.
Trista (NY)
Cuomo is going to see more panic by NOT shutting it all down. And by “it all”, I mean the STATE. He seems to often forget that he is the governor of NY state, not Just the grand high poobah 2nd mayor of NYC.
Emmett O’Farrell (New York, New York)
What is the difference between what you are proposing and what the Governor is proposing?
amylou2 (New York)
So sick of hearing "underlying illness" What exactly does that mean?
Ella Morgan (Seattle)
Underlying illnesses include asthma, COPD, heart disease and diabetes plus those taking meds that impact the immune system such as cancer patients. When you add those up it’s a lot of people.
Gasolin (NY)
@amylou2 Most likely cancer, leukemia, pneumonia, asthma... anything that can weaken your immune system will play against you, whatever your age.
@amylou2 anything that makes you ill, which makes your immune system stressed allowing the coronavirus to replicate more efficiently
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
When you are the financial and cultural center of the country it stands to reason that you will also become the pandemic center of the country. Comes with the territory. Hope it can be confined to the territory.
Fred (NYC)
@Jay Orchard That's cold. I'll remember your sentiments next time Miami is bombarded with hurricanes.
Bill B (Long Island)
So if I walk my dog or have to run an errand, I have to wear a mask. Dear Governor Cuomo where can I get a mask? Can you send me one?
Jose (NYC)
Yet the NYC offices all remain open, court houses remain open, and most functions are not even essential.
MS (New York)
I have a factory in Brooklyn and made a mask that is not medical but works very well. I have been trying to get in touch with Empire State Development. All been getting is an answering machine that is full!
Barbara flute (New York)
@MS Call your City Council member
Fred (NYC)
@MS They are looking for very specific types of masks so before you get carried away you might want to look up the specifications of what they need. An N95 respirator is a respiratory protective device designed to achieve a very close facial fit and very efficient filtration of airborne particles. The 'N95' designation means that when subjected to careful testing, the respirator blocks at least 95 percent of very small (0.3 micron) test particles.
Jane Doe (The Morgue)
@MS File a provisional patent application first. US is now a first-to-file rights patent country, before it was first to invent (documentation would be essential to prove it).
JHH (New York)
It is evident to me that the psychological pandemic is so much greater than the scientific pandemic. The extreme response no doubt has already led to the rippling economic fallout which will be very difficult to recover from. We've NEVER changed our daily livelihood as much in the past in response. The math that leads to the publicized mortality rate (that's driving the panic) is very much unreliable - the nominator (#deaths) we know but the denominator (positive cases) is severely under represented because of adverse selection (you can only get a test if you fit the profile of a positive!) and the DISMAL availability of testing in the US. And we all know about the current administration's horrendous handling of the situation and information flow since it was first discovered.
Cath Boylan (France)
Well no we don't all know that. The administration stopped entry from China very early on, despite the cries of "racist" from those with political axes to grind. Italy didn't stop flights and as they had direct flights from Wuhan to Milan (because of the large Chinese community in the north) the epidemic exploded. The real horrendous handling, unfortunately, was in China where not only did the communist bureaucrats crush those medics who tried to get the news out but then disappeared 'citizen journalists'. They also, knowing about the contagion, allowed Wuhan to stage a banquet with 100,000 attendees... But if you think it's a positive contribution now to sit and carp at the COVID team, go ahead.
Kevin (NYC)
@JHH “We've NEVER changed our daily livelihood as much in the past in response.” We actually DID in 1918. But not soon enough - like now. Many died unnecessarily - like they are now.
Doug G (San Francisco)
The numerator is also wrong, as you can't give the virus as a cause of death unless you know the patient had it. In addition, deaths typically occur many days after infection, so you'd have to compare deaths to the number of infections days earlier or deaths as compared to full recoveries.
bob adamson (Canada)
The following assessments stand out among those I've read in various journals over the past couple of weeks. 1. Persons who have contracted COVID-19 may well infect others even though they personally as yet show no symptoms. 2. Infected persons who don't restrict habitual social contacts spread infection on average to 2.5 persons. 3. Because many infected persons develop as mild, largely symptom free cases, perhaps only 1 in 5 active cases are recorded in jurisdictions where active general screening with proper training & equipment takes place is not happening. From the foregoing I'm assuming that reported active case rates in NYC & Washington State are reflective of US rates generally & not outliers.
@bob adamson Right on the money! And sadly with the inadequate testing going on, we can probably assume that the actual number of cases is an order of magnitude greater than what's being reported, and perhaps even worse.
bob adamson (Canada)
@bob adamson On further reflection, my opening comment should have included the following as assessment 4.: 4. The time interval between the 2.5 people being infected as described in assessment 2. & a further 2.5 people being infected for each of the original 2.5 is very short & this coupled with assessment 3. illustrate why the exponential growth of infection may well be explosive in the US over the next 2 or so weeks. I hope I'm wrong.
Jose (New York)
As long as grocery stores allow people to cram in, as long as people decide today is a good day for a picnic or BBQ, this will drag on. Parks still have families and children playing as if nothing is up. Just suck it up now and maybe we can have summer. I never understood people who do things the long way. Just too lazy to do it the right way the first time.
Kevin (Northport NY)
I used to hate Andrew Cuomo. In the recent past, I turned that around. Now, I think he should be President. His father was eloquent, but that was about it. Andrew actually accomplishes things and gets things done.
BP (Midwest)
@Kevin How quickly we forget the Andrew Cuomo who took huge amounts of money from developers and disbanded the Moreland Commission when it came to close to looking into his campaign shenanigans. Yes he looks effective compared to President Trump but is that really impressive?
Jon Creamer (Groton)
Governor Cuomo, Governor Newsom, Governor Baker.... and other governors, mayors... They are showing us what it means to be leaders. They aren't concerned with the optics of their decisions or their poll numbers or their egos; they have made difficult but informed decisions in the hopes of helping their constituents get through this pandemic. And then there is Trump - who invokes a war act, but isn't willing to get corporations to help make the supplied our health care officials needed yesterday, because of conservatives believe in small government. What a joke.
B A Rhodes (Florida)
No one is listening to trump anymore bc they don’t believe a word he says. People are going around him...marginalizing him more and more. And then he is furious about it and stews in his own juices. Please do us all a favor and resign.
gkwest (Santa Monica)
@B A Rhodes Exactly. I can't bear to watch the pandemic task force briefings, because Trump makes them all about himself with lies and empty boasting. He's totally useless.
WATSON (Maryland)
Dickens - It was the best of times It was the worst of times. Now - It was the worst of times It was the worst of times.
Sage (California)
New York--time to Shelter in Place so as not to look like Milan, Italy soon. That would be tragic.
bobbye (kentucky)
My daughter called yesterday while walking to Whole Foods in Manhattan. That's bad enough. She should've used delivery. But when I said I suppose the streets are empty, she replied. No, not at all. Please shut the city down! I know she will hate being cooped up in a small apartment but at least, maybe, she'll be safer, along with millions of others.
KVS68 (Brooklyn)
@bobbye I’m in NYC and was at Whole Foods yesterday. Why? Because if you did not purchase shelf stable and frozen foods by midday last Thursday, the shelves at Whole Foods were bare. I know because I went there last Thursday after work. There is plenty of perishable food, and some frozen food gets restocked in the morning and is gone by the afternoon. Everyday this week, I have gone to two supermarkets for food for me and my mother. Smaller (and more expensive grocers) have food, but they don’t deliver. So, that is why your daughter is going out to a Whole Foods.
Andrew (New York, NY)
@bobbye You can't get food delivery, it's constantly booked as far in advance as you can go.
Fred (NYC)
@bobbye There is no more Whole Foods delivery.
Olivia (NYC)
26 people have died out of the 8.6 million people living here. I am sorry for them and their families. Stop the panic propaganda. My husband and I were exposed to this virus. We had no symptoms.
Carol Mangis (Yonkers, NY)
@Olivia You're fortunate! Just please remember you can be asymptomatic and still be infectious. The idea of taking these measures is to keep the death rate low and prevent an unmanageable spike in infections. I think NYC and state are doing an admirable job of staying calm and keeping us calm.
Meryl g (Nyc)
@Olivia That is precisely the point. People who are symptom-free can spread the virus. Facing facts is not the same as panicking.
Don't get it (NYC)
@Olivia And remember it is much more important for you to implement social distancing and stay away from all of your friends, relatives, everyone. Stay in your house get food delivered, wear a mask if you go out. Do this for 14 days after exposure as you could easily be infectious to others, but feel fine with little or no symptoms. I fear from your comment that you are taking this lightly because you have no symptoms and that would be a big mistake, as you could cause someones death unintentionally.
Stephanie (NYC)
Bill de Blasio created this disaster by letting 1 million students go to school until last Friday so that low income students would not miss their lunch. We have known for weeks that most young people are asymptomatic vectors of the disease. The schools were TIME BOMBS.
Ali (Albany)
Why is lottery an essential service?
warrior ant press (Kansas City, MO)
Watch how Cuomo conducts himself in these news conferences versus how DJT conducts himself in the daily news briefings and it becomes readily apparent which elected official is the most qualified to lead in time of crisis. It's not the President. Thank you Governor Cuomo for making decisions based on sound science. DJT is completely out of his league in this crisis. And I've never thought I'd say this but VP Pence has also demonstrated he's a much capable leader than DJT. The most encouraging sign of any White House briefing is when the President steps aside and turns the lectern over to someone who understands how to make science-informed decisions for the benefit of all.
Liz Gadi (Scarsdale NY)
Trump also thought your hometown and NFL championship team was in Kansas. There’s that..
Ted (NY)
Finally the Governor is inching to what Mayor DeBlasio has been saying about curtailing free movement and taking a more aggressive approach in the San Francisco model that allows people to buy essentials like food, medicine , etc.
P Joh (San Franciso Bay Area, CA)
@Ted - Agreed. It's strange that Cuomo is receiving so much praise in this comments area - typically, there are too many internet trolls, but in this case, Cuomo kind of deserves it - He caused this outbreak by his resisting to implement a stronger lockdown, and the people of New York are the ones paying for it.
Donna (New York)
Maybe if Mayor DiBlasio got his head out of his butt he would’ve heard the News Conference and the Governors meeting at FEMA with the President yesterday where it was stated that they currently have millions of masks and thousands more ventilators for the state’s. They also made deals with the manufacturers for the necessary safety equipment and such to be produced in massive amounts of these things being made available to each state immediately. I guess he’s to blinded by prejudice and hate for our President to pay attention to what’s really going on. I’m not the Major and I know that if your city or county is in need of these products there is a FEMA representative for each state or area to ask for what you need and it will be provided....
VTer watching Wisconson (Vermont)
Relatives in and around NYC do not have access to the tests. Others have taken a test and are told they need to wait 7 days for results. This is absolutely a result of poor leadership at the highest levels, which continues to spread misinformation about availability. Take care and I hope you don't end of up needing one of these inflated promises to be true.
Stephen (Fishkill, NY)
So I guess it wasn’t a “hoax” after all. Just in case you’re wondering why so many of us don’t believe a word Trump says it’s because of statements like that.
Tracy Chan (NYC)
Our building is within JFK airport and I found out this morning that one person works in the building tested positive. However, other than told that person to stay home and whoever works closely with him to stay home for 14 days, none of the people work in the same building were informed openly about this. The building of course not close or sanitize.
Sarah (Chicago)
Just an idea; why not start collecting data on "suspected cases" if tests are still not widely available? Especially if you subtract out the normal flu volume to try to account for that. Allowing people to voluntarily and anonymously self-report what symptoms they have and their city could yield some useful information, or at least help bound the problem.
Atruth (Chi)
The city officially gave up on tracing a week ago. Too many cases already out there. I am assuming people in my building have it, anf that i have it (no symptoms). Acting accordingly.
Don't get it (NYC)
@Sarah The data on "IFI" (influenze-like infections) is available on the CDC website and is tracked every week during the flu season. If you look at the plots you can see that the flu season was winding down and then the IFI has started climbing sharply. This should tell you everything you need to know.
Don't get it (NYC)
@Sarah The data on "IFI" (influenze-like infections) is available on the CDC website and is tracked every week during the flu season. If you look at the plots you can see that the flu season was winding down and then the IFI has started climbing sharply. This should tell you everything you need to know. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-syndromic-surveillance.pdf
Kat (NYC)
I really hope Cuomo understands laundry services are essential for the millions of NYers not wealthy enough to have in unit laundry machines ... I don’t know what I would do if those businesses closed. Probably go home to the Midwest, potentially further spreading the virus.
Kate B. (Brooklyn, NY)
Yes, I’m wondering this too! Many of the buildings in my neighborhood don’t even have laundry rooms (mine doesn’t). Very very very few of us have personal washers and dryers (I don’t). If they close the laundromats things are about to get a whole lot worse— hygiene is important to stopping spread of disease too, and clean clothes are part of that.
Ellen C (San Francisco)
Here in San Francisco laundromats are open as essential businesses so I bet they will be in NY also.
Cody (Brooklyn)
@Kate B. I just had to figure out a solution for this. Look up breathing mobile washer and order two five gallon buckets. I also ordered a spin dryer which extracts almost all the water and requires no hook ups, only a regular power cord. Hope this helps
A.R. (Dutchess County, NY)
It is simply ridiculous that NY has 40% of ALL cases in the US, yet we are still "open" for business. Yes, some businesses were restricted or forced to close. But stopping the spread by 50% is not as effective as stopping the spread completely by shutting down everything! Cali did it, why aren't we? Until that is done the spread will continue, there is no stopping it unless everything and everyone is stopped. Learn from other countries, they didn't shut down for the hell of it, they shut down because it is the only effective plan to survive!!
Chris (SW PA)
@A.R. I would say you have 40% of the testing. The virus is everywhere, but the testing is not. Despite what fearless leader says.
Peter (Chicago)
I have a question probably already answered but if this has been around since Jan is it possible that it could peak before summer around May? If so I don’t understand why we don’t have a nationwide strict quarantine. It pains me to say this but it is getting awfully embarrassing to be American, Italian, French, British, etc. What the hell is wrong with us? Why are we so criminally negligent? This is an epic failure of the West. It is on par with losing the Battle of France in 1940. Frankly it is a pathetic spectacle to behold.
Andrea R (New Yaaaaaawk City)
New Yorker here, sending out good wishes to my neighbors. New Yorkers came together and supported each other beautifully after 9/11 and we need to do it again now while being further apart physically. It’s a good time to learn skills for connecting virtually, if you’re able to. For those who can’t do that, more phone calls. Sending virtual hugs to everyone.
RSSF (San Francisco)
NY is becoming the global epicenter of the disease. The numbers are spiking not just because of testing — all states have had increase in testing.
Cole (Consoló)
As a stylist, we should’ve been asked to close last week. We are standing on top of people, who knows who they’ve done in contact with. It’s sad to not be able to recognize that as people of that service industry, we are the ones with the most contact!!
MP (Brooklyn)
@RSSF this is incorrect. All states are testing yes. But in limited numbers. There is no “epicenter” anymore. Everywhere has been hit. It’s just that people aren’t testing. People aren’t getting tested.
Hendry (San Francisco)
@RSSF Just wait a few days. Next epicenter will be SF Bay Area and Los Angeles.
jkw (nyc)
Is the increase in cases caused by new infections, or just by more testing? Is there any way to know? It's very hard to tell from the article.
AGuyInBrooklyn (Brooklyn)
Where is the Times getting the 5,298 number for New York cases? Their own tracker says 4,152 which is corroborated by the NYS DOH website (my comment as of 10:40 AM on Friday). Maybe those are old, but I can't find the source. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/county-county-breakdown-positive-cases Beyond that, I'm not sure comparing percent of cases (~40%) to percent of population (~%6%) is the best metric. Percent of cases to percent of tests administered might be better. According to CovidTracking, which tracks testing by state, New York has run 20% of all tests. That paints a different picture. https://covidtracking.com/data/ Either way, my point is that the data and tracking of this virus is an absolute disaster due to lack of federal leadership. The Feds should have created an open, centralized source and required input from states and localities so experts and policymakers can effectively understand the threat to the nation as a whole. The virus doesn't care about state boundaries.
Zeke27 (New York)
@AGuyInBrooklyn The current data is not very useful due to the lack of readily available testing kits. There are a lot of people walking around with the virus who don't know it.
Sarah (Chicago)
@AGuyInBrooklyn Yes! The data and analysis on this has been terrible. I am not surprised there are no data scientists in the Trump administration. But they are sorely needed. I hope whatever pandemic/epidemic team that gets reconstituted after this or after Trump includes some and they have a say in good data collection and analysis.
v (ny)
@AGuyInBrooklyn They also said they performed 10k tests overnight, but there only appeared to be an increase in covid cases overnight of around 2k. That's seems like a lot of negative tests if I'm reading that correctly. ??
George L. (NYC)
There is no reporting of rates of recovery, which would be useful. The vast number of people who contract the virus will recover. The tone of all the reporting is that we will all die. This is unhelpful even though the intent is well-meaning. Based on the numbers reported for NYS, the rate of death is 29/5,298 = .0055 or six tenths of one percent. The rate of survival is 5,269/5,298 = .9945 or ninety nine percent. Please check my calculations. Of course everything can change.
Tim (Bay Area, CA)
@George L. Mortality takes 2-6 weeks, and recovery (testing negative) takes similarly long. Since there were almost no cases that long ago, the numbers for deaths and recoveries are both still very small. If you want to know those rates, you need to look at places with very few recent infections relative to their totals, like Japan.
Sue P (NYC)
Your calculations seem off given the delay in testing and premature numbers. We are closer to Italy where the death rate and seriously ill rate are higher than your calculation.
@George L. The issue is not rate of recovery or the rate of fatality: it's the rate of infection. The higher that number is, the more people die due to healthcare strain.
CC (New York)
Not locking down the city is more scary than anything right now. Everyone who needs to or have to go outside right now is risking their Health to do so. Don’t just be the Rich’s governor. Be someone who at least have a heart. Also money only values when it can exchange the thing you need. I don’t know if rich people just wanna remain the numbers in their pocket, because right now you rich probably even can’t buy a face mask in nyc and forget about trying to show off, if that is the case. So if a governor comes out from the point just trying to protect his rich friends and not shutting down the city. End of story will be a ghost city. Maybe the ghost, the rich and the governor can enjoy the fortune, but who is going to work in the future?
Kathleen (New York, NY)
@CC Completely agree! The city needs to be locked down Everyone needs to be inside, and tickets/fines for anyone who is out without a legit reason. NYC has been w/o hand sanitizer, tp, face masks, and other supplies for weeks already.
AP (Astoria)
I would like to see a NYS/NYC specific map of where the cases are.
Don't get it (NYC)
@AP https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf This gives a by burough count of confirmed cases. I don't know of a map based one. I think the state has a database by county.
Daisy (Klein)
I can’t believe public officials and people are being so irresponsible. All my friends and family are in Europe and I know how dangerous the situation will be come. I’m in shock seeing people shopping around the Upper East Side while people are dying in hospitals. I see buses circulating, coffee shops, flower shops ... everything is opened and people with kids walking around as if it was a Spring Break trip... in Europe, the shelter in was much sooner and much stricter. Still thousands of people are dying. Mr Como Corona is not a joke! Don’t play with our lives! Martial shelter in is necessary! ACT now. It’s already too late
Jennifer (Palm Harbor)
Actually we don't know this for sure. Florida is barely testing anyone. So we don't actually know how many cases we have. Yet we allowed the spring breakers to come down, drink themselves drunk and hang out together. And they are quite literally hanging all over each other. I live here because I love the beach. I won't go near one right now. There are other states that aren't doing much in the way of testing either, especially since we have so few testing kits available.
Peter (Brooklyn)
SHUT. THE. CITY. DOWN. People aren't heeding the advice to stay home. And without doing that, social distancing is impossible in this city. And worst yet, everyone leaving their homes put healthcare workers going to and from medical facilities at risk. That puts us all at risk. Shut. The. City. Down.
B. (Brooklyn)
What is this new habit of putting a period after each word in a sentence? I see it more and more nowadays. Perhaps it makes the writer feel better, and more authoritative, but it increases my distrust of what he is saying.
Atruth (Chi)
@Peter it is shut down. what more do you want to see?? wha does shut the city down mean? the only thing not shut down are subways and buses. if that happens, how would grocery stores, pharmacies and other places stay open if the employees can't get there? the streets are basically empty. yes, there are people but it's far from crowded.
KB (Brooklyn, NY)
@Atruth Exactly. And in almost all the shutdowns globally you're still allowed to go for a walk. After this 0% non-essential work mandate Cuomo just announced, all that's really left is to break up gatherings in the park.
jack (new york city)
I'd like to know where my son could go to get tested. He doesn't have a regular doctor now. He has been sick and self-isolating. No his fever seems to have broken. But as this is a recurring disease I want him tested without going to a crowded even more dangerous ER. I have seen no information about this form Mayor deBlasio or Cuomo. I can't find it in the Times.
Someone In (NY)
@jack There's a number to call for drive thru testing in certain parts of NY.
KB (Brooklyn, NY)
@jack Until tests are as easy to get as potato chips at the bodega the official recommendations have been to only request a test if you're really sick (beyond a normal cold or flu).
pat smith (WI)
@jack Call a nearby hospital.
feng xie (California)
Please change the advisory about service hygiene and protections. Recommend or mandate every one to wear (make) sterilized cloth masks, sterilized gloves doing (service workers) or accepting (customers) essential services. This will help protect delivery folks and customers. Cloth masks (not medical) has baseline infiltration protection of over 50% compare to surgical masks at 88%. But actual protection power is higher as it reduces face touching. Final impact of reducing infection rate by half or higher is significant. CDC and WHO and media should listen to science and help American people make and use basic protection as we try to support each other and survive this pandemic.
Logical (WI)
The rising cases is simply that we're discovering them now with increased testing. The virus landed in the country around Jan 20th. So if we apply an exponential curve to that date, this country most likely has or has had millions of "real" cases. The flattening of the curve that we're doing is definitely going to help, but what level are we at now? 3 million cases? 10 million? 100 million? That's the problem. We have no idea how many people have this thing. Or have had it and recovered. The increased testing will now rise exponentially until we reach the curve of "real cases." That doesn't necessarily mean it's still spreading though. But we don't really know. This uncertainty is a huge problem. And it is completely the Federal Governments fault for not testing more people. This is why we have a CDC! They get paid to sit in an office an think about ways to combat epidemics! It just seems like basic logic that if an epidemic surfaces, the first thing to do is massive testing. The CDC should be prepared for any future outbreak with a plan to test 330 million people in a month. Swine flu was 10 years ago, what the heck has the CDC been doing for 10 years? They didn't think something worse could happen? That's terrifying! This is a total failure. Trump is lying to us when he says "no one saw this coming." They did a pandemic exercise just last year and it said ventilators would be short! It's been spreading across the globe since January. Unbelievable!
Tim (Bay Area, CA)
@Logical "The rising cases is simply that we're discovering them now with increased testing." "The increased testing will now rise exponentially until we reach the curve of "real cases."" Increased testing doesn't naturally produce exponential increase unless the increase in test availability is exponential and the population is saturated with cases. I think Cuomo is wrong is saying that the increase is mostly due to increase in test capacity, and is ignoring the component in NYC that is exponential spread of the disease. In any case, he's not taking serious enough action and in another 10 days when there are 10X the cases (people who are already infected *now* because it takes 7-10 days from infection to diagnosis), it will be too late, because NYC will need more ICU beds than it has. This is already "baked in" – it's too late to change this outcome.
Jonathan Saw (NYC)
@Logical Trump fired the pandemic team in 2018 I believe.
Deb (Providence)
I spoke to a friend in Florida this morning. All restaurants, bars, clubs and public gathering places are open and filled with young people on spring break. They will soon return home to communities where people have been social distancing and staying home. Where restaurants and bars and salons and almost everything else is closed. Why is there no federal mandate too shut it all down? Haven’t we learned this virus does not care about borders or state’s rights?
David Martin (Vero Beach, Fla.)
The New York Times story "Can Smart Thermometers Track the Spread of the Coronavirus?" suggests that Florida has a lot of fever and possibly a whole lot of the Coronavirus. The state isn't prepared.
newyorker (New York, NY)
GOVERNOR CUOMO, take a walk through any part of New York City and see that shutting down the tri-state area must happen immediately! This includes deliveries! Period. Full stop. 4,000 cases and counting, and you're still afraid of a panic?
Tim (Bay Area, CA)
@newyorker True. If Cuomo wants to see panic, just do nothing and wait another two weeks. Acting sooner rather than later would allow action to be less draconian. This is the approach being taking here in the Bay Area, and I'm awfully glad, because it's going to be bad enough.
Ellie (New York, NY)
@newyorker I agree. As a physician, this is what needs to happen. Full stop indeed. I also have significant worry about the ramifications of the increase in food delivery service and spread of disease, even with the best attempts at hygiene on the part of the restaurants and delivery services.
MarcS (Brooklyn)
@newyorker I'm 70. I've been told I shouldn't go out. How do I get food if I can't go out and can't get a delivery?
Katya (New York)
Nyc is the a “hotspot”. Nyc is overseen by one of the most hands on politician gov Cuomo. Who fought to have these tests. The rest of the country is just as infected just oblivious about it yet. The worst will come not for New York but for all the states and cities that delayed testing and quarantine measures.
Tim (Bay Area, CA)
@Katya Cuomo has done a great job with the testing, and we need that capability everywhere. However, he's falling down on the isolation part, because it's too late to deal with the crisis using testing alone unless you can test 100% of people, including the many thousands that are currently asymptomatic.
Mark Miller (WI)
"A jump in testing yields a spike in new cases." Not only are more kits available, but drive-through makes testing faster. Did NYC have a spike in new infections, or has it just learned recently how many cases it actually has? As more testing is available elsewhere, will they also see similar spikes in number of "known" cases as they learn how much they really have?
cg (Vermont)
Re: shortage of medical supplies: the whole world is in this together, and China is willing and ready to help. They can. They are. They are not the enemy. The virus is. I wish our administration would put aside its arrogance and ask for that help: supplies, please.
Randy L. (Brussels, Belgium)
Why do these Democrat run cities always blame the Federal government for their own lack of action? This is something that should have been addressed in every major city, by the people who run those cities, weeks ago. They saw what was happening in China and Europe. No, they wait until it's too late and then blame the Feds and want a bailout. Be it infrastructure, homelessness or an outbreak like COVID-19.
Matthew (San Francisco Bay Area)
Control of contagious disease is the responsibility of the federal government.
Randy L. (Brussels, Belgium)
Why do these Democrat run cities always blame the Federal government for their own lack of action? This is something that should have been addressed in every major city, by the people who run those cities, weeks ago. They saw what was happening in China and Europe. No, they wait until it's too late and then blame the Feds and want a bailout. Be it infrastructure, homelessness or an outbreak like COVID-19.
Jimmyr0ck (ChiTown)
So, let us get this straight. Are you suggesting the mayors and governor’s responsibility and a national plan of action isn’t needed?? Certainly Florida’s GOP run government seems to have done absolutely nothing to stop the spread, however they have collected income from spring breakers that lined the beaches.
Rod (Melbourne)
Isolation Centers for infected patients should be established in Trump hotels.
Gregory (NY)
Never been a 100 percent fan of Governor Cuomo, but I have to say thank you for being a leader, giving us the true facts without any sugar coating and trying to protect us from harm. Again, thank you.
kay (new york)
Cuomo and Deblazio are the right people for the job at the right time. Intelligent, thoughtful, willing to make hard decisions quickly. The federal gov't needs to get it's act together. They are too focused on money instead of saving lives and initiating war powers to streamline much needed supplies. The buck stops at the President's desk and he needs to start acting instead of talking.
Jeff NYC (NYC)
Make difficult decisions quickly? DeBlasio stubbornly refused to close schools until just a few days ago. Far too late. He has greatly exacerbated the problem.
Antonio Casella (Lathlain)
Some things defy all logic. How can it be that in China, where a week ago there were over 80,000 infected and thousands of deceased, now reports zero infections. I mean, zero! Really? It's just beyond belief. Even if they had a few hundred new cases, that would be a miracle. A panicked, and cynical world is waiting for the magic bullet. Come on China, let's have it.
Matthew (San Francisco Bay Area)
Maybe you haven’t been paying attention for the last two months, but in order to achieve those numbers, China basically shut down everything. California’s shelter in place order pales by comparison. South Korea has also managed to bring its new cases way down, through vigorous and widespread testing.
Don't get it (NYC)
@Antonio Casella China has an infrastructure where people are not allowed to leave their apartment block unless it is to obtain food, and visitors are not allowed into the apartment block except with exceptional circumstances. Also when a family member got sick or tested positive, they were removed from the household and placed into isolation. If we did that kind of forceful action, we could achieve similar results. Americans would not stand for it, and all college students in Florida would be in jail.
Kathleen (New York, NY)
@Antonio Casella I believe it is no new infections.
shimr (Spring Valley, NY)
Would someone tell me if you put on a face mask and wear gloves---does that help ? Is it then safer to go out and shop or even talk to others?
pat smith (WI)
@shimr Depends on who you are going to be talking to-and how close to that person you will be. Will you stay 6 feet away at least?
MP (Brooklyn)
A lot of lives could have been saved if de Blasio had closed schools when the first case in the state was announced.
Brian (Oakland, CA)
@MP The main advantage of closing schools for CV19 is that it forces parents to stay home. Adults are the primary transmitters of this. Under 20s, and especially under 10s, not only rarely get it - according the the WHO, those who do catch it from adults, not other children. Adults need to take responsibility. This isn't the flu, which is transmitted by, and kills, children especially.
Jeff NYC (NYC)
Ridiculous. Children don’t get sick means they don’t tend to develop serious symptoms. They can still be infected and act as vectors spreading the virus to other people. There is no credible evidence to the contrary.
Do not wait to lock the city down. We should have done this weeks ago. Please do it today.
Odysseus (Ithaca)
@MM Will you deliver my meals and medications, please? I'll send you my address, and naturally, I'll tip you.
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
Things have gotten so bad in New York that my friend who lives in the city told me that he went to a palm reader there yesterday and she made him wear rubber gloves.
STARO (New York)
@Jay Orchard Haaahahhhaaaa!
Jeff NYC (NYC)
That was funny. A little gallows humor.
B. (Brooklyn)
But this is very funny! Shouldn't the palm reader have closed up shop last week, and shouldn't your friend stay clear of dinky confined places with people he doesn't kniw?
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
What Frank Sinatra would say about coronavirus in the city: If you can stop it there You'll stop it anywhere It's up to you, New York New York
ernieh1 (New York)
Testing for people who have no symptoms does not make sense when even people with symptoms can't get tested. It also makes one less kit available to the really sick. Furthermore, if one is tested negative today, that does not mean you won't get infected next week. Do you keep getting tested? Makes no sense. For the vast majority handwashing, social distancing, and all the hygienic precautions should be followed. See this as a time to review all your health and social habits and to act accordingly. (My worst habit is unconsciously rubbing my face and eyes, but mostly indoors after washing my hands.) Do aerobic exercise to help your lungs. (Spoken as an older New Yorker who lives alone.)
Kathleen (CT)
We are behind the eight ball. The CDC is loosening restrictions on the use of N-95 masks because they are purporting that regular surgical masks could provide protection from Covid 19 unless we are doing a procedure such as intubation which releases the aerosols. America--this spreads from person to person. That is why we are shutting down for now and isolating, keeping a six foot distance. A surgical mask will do little to protect the front line. This virus is droplet/airborne. It's R-naught is between 2.9-4.4. We don't know yet, but it is spreading rapidly. Research is an evolving process, but we need to protect the front line, or who will oversee the hospitals? Mayor De Blasio is right; we need to step it up and activate the Defense Production Act. Get the N-95's and other PPE in production now. The virus is rampant in NYC. The spread is fast and does not know state border lines. In CT and NY, health care workers are aware, and we want to protect our communities. The Bronx is already seeing the onslaught, and I am positive other hospitals are as well. Hospitals will not be able to keep up with supplies if we don't see more of a response at the federal level. More than anything else--hand washing and self-quarantine are imperative for the public. Do not panic. Most will recover if infected. This will pass. We are behind the eight ball, but we need to listen to those that know the impact of this pathogen, and step up the process to protect our hospitals and communities.
Susan (Seattle, WA)
I'm a nurse in Seattle, and yesterday I was "fit tested" for a face mask. The masks that didn't fit me were thrown away; the waste baskets in the fit-testing room were overflowing with brand new N-95 masks that hadn't fit staff! When I was a young nurse, our cleaning department sterilized anything that wasn't heat-resistant with a process called gas sterilizing. Nowadays gas sterilizers are no longer used, because most hospital equipment is thrown away after one use (think of the measly profit margin if fancy equipment was re-used?) Hospital staff taking care of coronavirus patients throw away tons of masks and gowns every hour. All of which could be sterilized and re-used if this were 1988. All of which, actually, could be re-used if I ran it through my dryer here at home.
Sierra Morgan (Dallas)
@Susan Thank you for being a voice of common sense. I have tears of anger welling up every time I see hospital workers doing hazardous procedures without proper PPE. Some is so ill fitting and incorrectly worn it would be better to be wearing none. Please stay safe.
Flaneuse (DC)
@Susan Wow. I'm speechless.
EV (Atlanta, GA)
From what I have heard from various news sources, back in late 2016 and 2017, the Obama administration’s National Security team and other parts of the administration briefed the incoming administration on the likelihood of a pandemic. Their earnings were based on historic precedence and evidence. And yet in their seeming infinite arrogance, President Donald Trump and his team either ignored or dismissed these concerns. This sounds a lot like what happened in the changeover from the Clinton to the administration of George W. Bush with regard to the threat posed by Al Queda back in 2002.
AACNY (New York)
@EV Be realistic. Do you think a President Clinton would have had actually stockpiled millions of face masks and hundreds of thousands of respirators and totally bypassed the FDA on testing? If anything our borders would still be open and she'd have been reluctant to impose travel bans until other nations had done so to provide political cover.
pat smith (WI)
@AACNY President Hillary Clinton would probably not have dismissed many CDC and other medical/scientific personnel. The Departments would likely not be staffed with 'temporary' officials. She would likely be able to accept advice from experts/knowledgeable staff. She would likely not be telling Americans that only she could know what to do. She may well have good relations with Europe and be able to cooperate with their medical people. And on, and on.
Moji (NYC)
@AACNY Why are Clinton's detractors so obsessed with the woman that they ALWAYS find a way to inject her into every political discussion, no matter how irrelevant?! Clinton may/may not have fared any better, but she's not the president so why does that even matter? Your speculation about how she would have responded to this crisis has zero bearing on EV's point, which is that the ACTUAL people in charge here, i.e. the Trump administration, might be doing a better job of handling things if they'd listened to the advisors about the inevitability of a pandemic and prepared sufficiently. How about you address that fact instead of presenting hypothetical scenarios as a substitute for substantive dialogue?
Mary Elizabeth Lease (Eastern Oregon)
I live in the antithesis of NYC—15 miles out in the pucker brush from a town of 10K. I did my last resupply trip into town Wednesday and other than the half dozen or so restaurants having placed signs out saying take out only, nothing seemed different—but then we aren't under a lock down order. This made the two vignettes suggesting end times that much more stark. An elderly gentleman wearing blue nitrite gloves and an N95 walking past me into the drugstore I was coming out of. In the space between the local Bi-Mart and Grocery Outlet occupied by a busker on Saturdays was a woman in her late 20s early 30s doing an acappella tent revival meeting sans the tent. Walking through two scenes worthy of a Fellini film this late in life was unsettling and it has taken me two days to process. I can't imagine what it must be for folks hunkered down in a two or three room apartments across the boroughs of NYC. I'm not religious. It is windy where I am. My Tibetan prayer flags have an east-west orientation and the wind prevails from the west so centuries old prayers and wisdom are coming your way—for what it is worth.
Sarah (NYC)
@Mary Elizabeth Lease 2 or 3 rooms, what a luxury! Try a one room, 200 sq/ft studio
Jonathan Penn (Ann Arbor, MI)
Given how deplorably far behind in testing people for coronavirus the U.S. is, the media is doing a grave disservice by reporting state-by-state numbers as anything more than mere supposition and a mere reflection of that paucity in testing and the near randomness in what testing has been done. Until we institute either meaningful random testing of the population to determine some baseline exposure data or testing of every individual in the U.S., the numbers posted are almost meaningless, profoundly unhelpful, and possibly disasterously misleading.
JC (San Francisco, CA)
@Jonathan Penn This has been gnawing on me as well. The numbers make for fear trumpets, but don’t have informative value without being adjusted for variable testing. Now that much of the country is on mitigation tactics, we need metrics to show what is helping and what is not.
B. (Brooklyn)
I am pretty sure that here in New York City vases are in the hundreds of thousands or even millions -- only that we are or were asymptomatic, or our minor February colds were all we had. Given our big, crowded city, how could that not be true?
B. (Brooklyn)
"Cases," not vases.
Anne (Portland)
Headline should read: "New York has 40% of KNOWN cases" It's an issue of testing. Without comprehensive testing we don't know where it's focused. And chances are it's pretty well distributed at this point.
ondelette (San Jose)
@Anne chances are NOT that it is well distributed if by that you mean that the country has some uniform distribution of cases. Chances are that it is more heavily concentrated in metropolitan areas. If you want a better view of distribution, then we should have the media and the government start using metropolitan regions as the units instead of states since state lines are somewhat arbitrary with respect to the former. We should hear reporting on the NYDC megalopolis, the Great Lakes megalopolis, the LA-San Diego megalopolis, instead of reporting on New York State, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc.. But we won't. The country's EOS is not organized that way and that way requires much more numeracy than the press and media has. The epidemic should also at some point start to exhibit waves. I wondered about this in comments a month or more ago on this site. Since heard it from epidemiological modelers. So the "curve" in China and S. Korea will next do an upturn into the next wave. Like day follows night in the modeler's world. Again, it's much more numeracy than the press and media has.
Lauren (New York)
We have the most cases because we have the most access to the tests.. they need to get tests to Georgia, DC, North Carolina and the numbers will be high there as well as they've waited longer to react to this.
Lisa (NYC)
Not surprised at all by NYC's numbers. I said all along that we are the perfect storm here in NYC.... tourists coming (or who WERE coming here) from all over the planet...NYC residents who are also from all over the world, and who often go to their home countries to visit family and then return home to NYC.... dozens of theatres seating hundreds of people from all over the world in tight seats....our vast public transit system... all the restaurants...it makes total sense. One thing many of us renters need to consider is how we will do laundry. I sure hope laundromats will be able to stay open. Otherwise, it's gonna be a dirty few weeks for many of us...
Concerned Citizen (Anywheresville)
@Lisa : it's a concern, but many clothing items -- t-shirts, underwear, bras, plain cotton tops, knit items -- can be washed in the sink with Woolite or similar. Works fine. You can then hang them to dry on the shower rod! or rig up one of those little travel clothes lines. Be creative! It's a bigger problem to have to wash things like sheets & blankets. Dry cleaners are considered "essential services" and remain open....
ktnyny (nyny)
@Lisa Think months.
Dragoons-2MARDIV (NYC)
@Lisa I spent 45 un-showered days and nights in one set of unwashed desert camouflage fatigues while in a combat posture. We all smelled the same so no one was bothered by it. Its time to be resourceful. Try washing your clothing in the tub or sink and hanging them to dry. No big deal.
Don (Tracy)
Why aren’t we following California’s lead? What are we waiting for? The longer we take to make choices the more we hurt our wonderful city.
ondelette (San Jose)
@Don, call your city and state people and tell them that this Californian says it isn't as bad as it seems, and it seems to be at least slowing things. People adjust. Out here we stay in, except going for solitary walks. We have senior hours at stores. People fell into a pattern of staying away from each other in most of the places we absolutely have to go to. People say, "Stay Well" instead of "See you later." The orders are a great thing, they're very good positive reinforcement. Nothing to be worried about, people want to do their bit.
Lisa (NYC)
@Don I can't keep track of the constant changes/updates or exactly what CA is doing but...I sure as hell hope we won't be told that we can't even go out for a walk or a run. That is way too extreme...if folks can't even go out alone...while keeping away from others...for fresh air?
ondelette (San Jose)
@ondelette, but I will say that now that they know everybody is a captive audience, the fraudster robocalls have ramped up -- the previous epidemic the government failed us on.
IGupta (New York)
How come Staten Island gets a drive-through testing center when it has so few cases. I would think Manhattan needs one given the number of cases (many not reporting when symptoms are mild so as not to inundate the system.)
Ann (M)
It would probably make sense to have a walk-through as most people living in the city don’t drive.
Anne (Portland)
@IGupta: You won't know if it has cases unless you test. Places that seem 'low' are only for lack of testing.
Sean (Bronx)
@IGupta probably because the majority of residents have cars, unlike in Manhattan, where there would be 100s of people queueing for tests with no cars to separate/contain them.
Vincenzo (Milan)
I live in Milan but now I’m stuck in the South of Italy. I’m here after a journey to meet my family. The law of the Italian Government have stop me here. My short experience of this pandemia suggest me to stay home, not to go out and to limit shopping. And I think these rules are good also for you. I’m considering the pandemia as the rigth moment during which I can reflect on the model of life and society in which I live. I think you can wish, as I do, to adopt a new more sustainable stile of life or work compared to which you used to do some days ago (for me some weeks ago). I believe this is our great possibility to overcome the border of fear, of nations and those imposed by our politicians and to set up togheter a new society based on cooperation, less consumption, more sustainability and love of our world.
JVO (Pennington, NJ)
@Vincenzo You have raised an important point. I am 80 and depend on being outside (usually in a dog park) with my dog multiple times a day. Closure of the dog park (where people not wild animals hang out) has forced me into the woods. Daily I am seeing deer, wild ducks, fox and the first flowers of spring. City dwellers may not have quite the same choices but even NYC has large parks where one can disappear into nature. PS I don't know how Cuomo's latest directive affects use of large parks but your point to lessen consumption and work together is still valid. Greta would agree with you!!!
gratis (Colorado)
Some what surprised by the news in Colorado. We now have 4 deaths, but none in the Denver metropolitan area. They occurred in relatively rural counties, 2 in the county with Colorado Springs. This tells me that COVID-19 is now in our rural areas. If it is there, then it is everywhere. Control what you can control and take precautions.
Mary Elizabeth Lease (Eastern Oregon)
the wave of spiking in the case count that is beginning we were warned of by Dr. Birx four days ago who rightly indicated this will be the result of increased testing. increased testing will confirm the breadth and depth of spread that has been postulated for weeks. which is why the tone from state and local officials is increasingly severe. This Is Not A Drill.
Mary (New York)
I don't understand why the Federal Government doesn't do what was done in WWll - which is order factories that have the capacity -to work overtime in producing what is lacking in supplies to support the doctors, nurses, care givers, cleaners etc.etc. How is it possible in a country with such resources that someone has not suggested such a basic and common sense thing!
gratis (Colorado)
@Mary : WWII president was FDR, whose socialist policies are the target for removal by the GOP Party. Trump is a GOP president, small government, "Not my responsibility" party. Elections have consequences.
Carl (Lansing, MI)
@Mary Number one, you are seeing in real-time, America is not as great as you think it is. The first part of making America better is renouncing this hubris that America is the greatest country on the planet. It isn't, not in terms of healthcare, education, quality of life, social mobility or social equality, and now you are seeing it's not the so great a handling a global pandemic. South Korea has done a much better job making testing available to its citizens, and its overall handling of this pandemic. So, how is this possible? We spend $700 billion a year going all over the world killing people, but we cut the budgets for the CDC and the NIH. We've are totally blind to the fact that national security also means economic security and the overall health of our citizens. Most importantly we've had poor leadership. Trump disbanded a National Security Council team specifically tasked to prepare for global pandemics. Congress has also failed to propose plans that would give the country reserves of medical supplies necessary to combat this pandemic. This is what happens when you believe "This will never happen to us, " actually happens.
Rita (New York)
@Mary the Federal government is way behind on this. In our beloved state there were ONLY TWO labs that that were testing for the virus( they were Fed. Gov. labs) Thanks to our Governor we have several private company testing sites including drive through sites. This administration can ramp up production however they are to late in doing so. They" blew" this off as a flu and as a result (not acknowledging the problem initially) a family of 7 had 4 family members die. The testing kits were ordered after the Governor's fought to get them for the people.
JohnKeohane (Austin, TX)
This coronavirus is very personal to me. I'm thinking of Charlotte. She's my brother's oldest grandchild, recently married, also a recently minted MD. She's doing her residency, in emergency medicine, in New York city.
IGupta (New York)
@JohnKeohane Sending her good wishes for keeping healthy and thanks for her dedication.
JerryV (NYC)
@JohnKeohane, Thank you for sending her to us. We will try, our best, to keep her safe.
Dragoons-2MARDIV (NYC)
@JohnKeohane Trial by fire. We are privileged and grateful to have her on our front lines. I will keep your Charlotte in my prayers.
Harry (Bayport, NY)
As a Long Islander, I’m sheltering in place on my own. I feel abandoned by our Federal Government- they are saying a lot but not doing enough. I’m beginning to question their motives - until recently, not something I would’ve to consider.
She (Miami,FL)
@Harry I wouldn't consider it a nefarious motive, but the fact is that this virus will act as a kind of Social Darwinism, which culls the old, the weak and infirm from the population as effectively as the fictional Soylent Green presumably did in deliberate social engineering. The Republicans are generally admirers of Ayn Rand's theory of the world, with a disdain for the vulnerable and survival of the fittest an ideal. Of course, so are the Libertarians, albeit justified on their belief of rugged individualism demonstrated recently by Rand Paul's holding up the passage of the bill for relief.
MetroNYPhysician (NJ)
Mayor deBlasio was slow in closing the NYC public schools. He has been even slower in closing playgrounds which are a known vector of disease transmission as children touch the playground equipment and then touch their faces and vice-versa. The playground equipment is never cleaned. I have taken walks through Riverside Park and Carl Schurz Park this week. Children were in the playgrounds. People were playing basketball. Parents were socializing. It is imperative that the playgrounds be closed as almost all communities in Westchester and New Jersey have done. Parks should remain open so that people may take a walk and get fresh air. This is essential for both physical and mental health. However, people must remember to practice social distancing. As awkward as it may seem, people must stay 6 feel away from one another.
Avi Houston (Texas)
I understand New Yorkers are trying to stay positive by pinning this on increased test capacity. But use some common sense. Here in Texas, I go out for a walk on an average day pre-covid-19, I never run into someone within 10 feet. There is virtually no public transportation here. NYC as a buzzing metropolitan is the polar opposite. NYC is bound to have far higher infection rate than any where else in the US. The only question now is how draconian a measure the government should take to curb back social activities.
Carl (Lansing, MI)
@Avi Houston All of a sudden "flyover country" is not a bad place to be.
ondelette (San Jose)
There are still way too many comments about people having all but one of the criteria and not getting tested. In some cases, this seems very much like doctors are being too protective of the health care system and at risk of not knowing how big a problem they have. We can't know the epidemiological progress of this disease if doctors are going to tell people to quarantine in place and not be tested even when they have symptoms. Nobody is able to self-admit themselves to hospitals, put themselves in ICUs, or outfit themselves with a ventilator. All those decisions are still in the hands of the doctors. But people do need to be able to get tested if they are showing symptoms. Otherwise, they don't get added to the count and nobody knows how many cases there are. And I've sent my questions to skiddy eight million "Ask the experts" media things and got no answers: When you ask someone to cough into their sleeve, and most nurses and CNAs do BPs with sleeves down, are you spreading the disease? Inquiring minds want to know.
She (Miami,FL)
@ondelette The ability to test is still limited in many areas, and hypochondriacs abound--those who crave attention, even if derived from alleged and sometimes manufactured illness. It makes sense to me that those of us who still feel more or less normal wait until more testing becomes available. I have an overinsured acquaintance who has spent weeks at a time in hospital without any conclusion that something is wrong with her that didn't arise from the inflammation produced by the testing itself; which them becomes her focus for re-testing. She is the type who will push, usually successfully, to be re-tested over and over, despite limited resources or availability for others.
Tara Wong (San Francisco)
People have been sent home to self isolate and have died before getting back to hospitals. Also they died before their tests results got back with positive. Also instead of giving antivirals at an early stage to keep the patients from going into severe pneumonia they give Gatorade and oxygen which is fine for mild cases but the problem is that these cases go south very easy, it’s not like regular pneumonia caused by flu.This is with all the medical journals out there giving tips and advice on treatment, these have been published for sometime already. If regular person like me can find the info I don’t know why drs don’t.
rh (Boston, MA)
@ondelette doctors themselves are getting denied testing. Doctors are not the source of this problem. Not enough tests is a problem. If there are not enough tests the best advise is to quarantine in place unless you are sick enough to be admitted to a hospital. Also doctors are being sent in to care for patients without protective equipment and will be the first in line to get sick. When they are not around things will be very very bad. As you said nobody is able to self admit to a hospital or ventilate themselves.
Mary Elizabeth Lease (Eastern Oregon)
the adaptions to living under quarantine will forever change how we live, how our economy is structured and wealth distributed—or "earned" as required by the Austrian School.
Helene (Chicago)
New York has 40% of the nation's cases, but do we know if this is in part because they're doing more testing than many states? Fortunately the governor of Illinois and mayor of Chicago are taking this seriously, but I wonder about other states in the Midwest and in the South.
IGupta (New York)
@Helene I would like to know where I can be tested. There is a lot of under reporting in NYC because we are trying not to deluge the doctors when our symptoms are mild.
Carl (Lansing, MI)
@Helene Here is Michigan state universities closed down and went to remote learning when the first case of coronavirus case was discovered in the state. Since that time the governor has order all K-12 schools closed, has closed all bars and restaurants except for take-out or delivery service, and has limited the number of people that can assemble in one place. Other states have similar, if not more severe restrictions in place.
JerryV (NYC)
@Helene, It mostly is a case of population density.
JohnKeohane (Austin, TX)
Do you in New York have 40% of our country's coronavirus cases? This article suggests that you do. It's pretty clear to all of us that coronavirus cases are increasing in number, but there is something else going on here, and that is that New York is seriously ramping up testing facilities and New Yorkers are wanting and getting those tests. As most of you know, Texas has a larger population than New York, but are the availability of tests as much, or do we get those tests? I suggest those answers are "no" and "no". It seems to me that what we do know is that COVID-19 is bad in New York. Do we know that it's worse in New York than in other places? I for one, do not know that.
B. (Brooklyn)
I agree to a certain extent, but Texas is more spread out than New York City. Weeks ago, I figured we'd get hit hard because we have world-class museums, Broadway, foreign tourists, an enormous subway system, high-rise apartment buildings and elevators. How could coronavirus not spread? I am also willing to believe that a couple of million of us have it but just do not know it. Dallas and Austin are big, and have beautiful cultural centers; but last month at the Met, there were just as many visitors speaking Italian, French, German, and Mandarin as there were speaking English. Exciting, as it should be, but hmmm.
AACNY (New York)
@JohnKeohane Perhaps our demographics? Our large immigrant population? NYC is a microcosm of the world.
Trista (NY)
@JohnKeohane you can’t get tested in other parts of NY, so we are just like you. NY is a whole state and they’re only reporting on the city.
MaryC (Nashville)
To all my NY people, friends & family: hang in there! Love you and I can’t wait to come see you, later. We’re missing y’all a lot.
igkd (Nyc)
@MaryC Thanks you for this compassionate comment. I talk to my senior friends daily. We are all isolating in our houses and apartments. Our children making sure daily to call and telling us we need to stay indoors. Thanks to the phone, face time, books, I paint and yes the TV it is so far tolerable. We can have food and essentials delivered or bought for us by our grown children. I check in via calls when I don't hear from my friends.
William Byron (Princeton, NJ)
Our planet is a living thing. When a living thing has infections, it releases antibodies. I am increasingly thinking that this virus which didn't connect until literally four months ago is the Earth's way of dealing with the rampant and constant pollution of it's entitled inhabitants.
MF (East Bay)
@ William Byron in Princeton. While I am sympathetic to your comment, the amount of plastic/synthetic medical waste this will generate is going to be astronomical and much of it will be burned.
R (VA)
@William Byron When you screw the planet every day since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, one day she's going to say enough is enough.
Robert James (Cambridge, MA)
@William Byron What scientific evidence do you have to back up your theory?
Rebecca (Brooklyn)
I've had a low-grade fever, flu-like malaise, and tightness when breathing since Sunday. I assume I have COVID based on the symptoms and likely exposure in my job as a teacher (I interact with hundreds of people on a daily basis..) I've been isolating myself in my bedroom, distancing myself from my one roommate as much as possible. Even if I was able to get tested (first of all, I'd need a car?) I'd be turned away because I'm in my 20s and generally healthy. But how many others are in the same boat as me? And what happens if I take a turn for the worse? Where do I go? What will my doctor be able to do?
Dan88 (Long Island NY)
@Rebecca I believe the general recommendation for someone in your situation is that you call your PCP, describe your symptoms and follow their direction. If you don't have a PCP, do you have NYSHIP insurance? (If so, you have good coverage.) In that case they should have a "telecare" or like service you could try contacting. And/or 311 and/or the City health department.
Lisa (NYC)
@Dan88 I agree. She needs to contact someone, today. And she shouldn't get 'turned away' because of her age, especially considering we've seen a surge in younger folks having to be hospitalized...
Trista (NY)
@Dan88 NYSHIP doesn’t have telehealth as an option. Coverage Is not as comprehensive as you think.
TraceyL (New York)
The city needs to enforce isolation and social distancing (immediate heavy fines for anyone caught breaking them). Additionally, food stores need to be monitored for safety. I visited a food depot where they were restricting the number of people coming in, but most of the staff including the lady behind the checkout were not wearing masks or gloves!
Kristin (Manhattan)
Doctors and hospitals do not currently have sufficient masks and gloves, so supermarket staff are unlikely to have access to them. These workers — and all workers whose jobs are currently deemed essential — are putting their lives on the line each day. They need access to protective items, and Trump should have enacted The Defense Production Act to ramp up the manufacture of these vital materials.
jd (NYC)
@TraceyL Who would enforce these fines and such? One would need personnel to do this, and with a larger city like NYC, there would need to be a large force. What is this force going to do - stay 6 feet away and throw a ticket, or put it on the end of stick? Gloved don't mean much if one coughs into ones gloved hand whilst making the Turkey on club.
Just Julien (Brooklyn, NYC)
Pleas keep paying attention to the news - we are told repeatedly IF YOU ARE HEALTHY YOU DON’T NEED A MASK. in fact the medical community has said repeatedly to us healthy people please don’t hoard masks for the public.
Easy Goer (Louisiana)
Please look at Louisiana for a moment. This is a tiny state (less than 3 million, I think). However, there are more case here than in 4 or 5 surrounding states combined. They were so far behind this; now they are overreacting to compensate. It's ridiculous. Can I do it better? No. Should I know how? No. I am a very good problem solver. But this is not one I can work out. There are a few things I would change, that is for sure.
Johnny (Newburgh)
@Easy Goer People attending Mardi Gras helped spread infection, just like the Spring Break beach-goers in Florida will!
susan (nyc)
DiBlasio is now calling for shelter in place. A few days ago he wanted the NYC schools to remain open. Maybe this is part of the reason why a lot of people are skeptical and are ignoring the warnings.
RR (Chicago)
But he’s escalating in a single direction: getting more urgent. It would be different if one day he said city must be locked down and next day said no it doesn’t, then said maybe it should be partial, etc.
Zejee (Bronx)
I think he wanted the schools open until plans were in place for homeless students and students who need breakfast and lunch.
Easy Goer (Louisiana)
I am a lifelong Democrat. I lived under 7 different mayors in New York City. On 9/11 I watched the WTC from the roof of my lower Manhattan office. I used to do work for the Port Authority in both towers. I lost a very dear friend (a captain in the FDNY). I remember the burnt plastic smell which permeated the city below Canal Street for 2 or 3 weeks. For better or worse, Bloomberg knew far more than diBlasio will ever know. He organized departments (which hurt the company I co-founded) in a strategic manner. This benefitted the people of the City as a whole. Has he done bad things? Of course. I even liked Rudy Giuliani when he was a district attorney. I abhor how he turned Times Square into Disney World. I have no faith in diBlasio to do the right thing. For once, I am grateful I am not living there (as badly as I miss it). Unfortunately, Lousiana (where I was born) has terrible "leadership". They are making huge mistakes. As I mentioned before, there are more deaths here than in half a dozen surrounding states combined. This state has a tiny population comparatively.
Jenny (California)
I heard on a podcast interview that to get a coronavirus test in NYC, you take to take the subway to a few locations (no drive by options within city since people don’t have cars). Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Steve (Washington)
how much of the difficulties we see today are the result of the bannon, gop, trump "war on the deep state". dismantling the agencies that are tasked with safeguarding the country is no way to protect a nation simply because actual proven science doesn't support your conspiracy theories.
Dan88 (Long Island NY)
Couple of thoughts: 1) This "increase" was expected. It is due to the lack of testing up until now. The cases have existed, we just did/do not know how many. It is not unlike a person not calling for medical test results -- the results exist, they are out there, only the person is ignorant of what it says. 2) That the "increase" is ocuring in a state like NY is also not surprising. There is no national coordination of testing coming from the Trump administration. Thus, the states that care about their residents and have the resources to test are stepping in and filling that role, with ramped-up testing. 3) Related to 2, in the absence of nationwide testing, every state and region that is not doing the degree of testing that NY is can expect that the underlying number of unknown cases would scale up to about the same level. (Different population densities may account for some regional differences, but it probably is a reasonable first-order estimate.) 4) Gym-goer Bill de Blasio should just stop with the extremist and alarmist rhetoric. Advocating "shelter in place" for NYC is his latest in this regard. Especially when just 3 days ago he still trucking over to Brooklyn for his afternoon workout at the Y.
Dan88 (Long Island NY)
NB: In re no. 4, That is not to say that "shelter in place" is not or may not soon be an appropriate measure in a city like New York, just that de Blasio has no credibility as the messenger and is being too alarmist when he does decide to talk. By contrast, Gov. Cuomo is projecting calm and ramping up the state's responses as warranted in a calm and well-communicated manner. IMO he has the confidence of the public. So while de Blasio should collaborate with Cuomo when it comes to the City, imo de Blasio should defer to Cuomo when it comes to making decisions and when communicating with the public.
Chocolate (North Woods)
@Dan88 I agree entirely with your comments about De Blasio. His public statements are inappropriate and unhelpful. He should stop running for president, and start finding ways to contribute positively like Governor Cuomo does.
Bonnie (Brooklyn)
I live on Long Island, and it is clear that some people are taking this seriously, but too many others are NOT! There are still shoppers in clothing stores, and groups of kids out and about doing things they need not be doing. Please Governor, issue STAY AT HOME! You have been really on point, in my view, and an excellent leader in this tough time, please take this step!
Lisa (NYC)
@Bonnie Thanks for acknowledging the great job De Blasio has been doing overall. I agree. Mind you, I was never much of a fan of his prior to all of this. But I feel he has really stepped up to the plate here. There will always be critics (i.e., 'he should have closed the schools sooner', but yet, at the time, there were many others agreeing with his decision...at the time). This is uncharted territory, and he's doing a well as one could ask for.
Jeff NYC (NYC)
The great job DeBlasio has been doing? Twenty high level public health experts published a letter begging him to close the schools but he refused. He will be responsible for many more unnecessary deaths.
Mary Ellen Sinkiewicz (Boston, MA)
The federal government, under the leadership of the President and Cabinet, is uniquely positioned to lead disaster response. The coronavirus pandemic has exposed the unparalleled incompetence of this Administration and the demagogue who controls it. Breathtaking. Literally. In the face of the national disaster he enabled, Donald Trump has finally begun to behave as President of the United States not of Trump-world. I strongly support his efforts, even as I rage at the enormous human costs our nation will pay for his heedlessness.
ActOnClimateCrisisNow (NY)
@Mary Ellen Sinkiewicz "Donald Trump has finally begun to behave as President of the United States." Seriously?!!! You've got to be joking.
Lee Rusch (Chicago)
Your support is misplaced. He is not thinking about us.
Zejee (Bronx)
“We’re not a shipping clerk “
R (PA)
I am well aware of how awful this is and will be. That said, I do find humor in the article´s phrasing: Most barbers do not own six-foot scissors; most tattoo shops are not supplied with six-foot needles. Are there any barbers with six-foot scissors or any tattoo shops with six-foot needles? The use of the word "most" here is falling into the realm of how Trump uses it.
Christine (Manhattan)
In this case I believe the use of the word “most” is a literary device. It’s supposed to signal irony and in doing so, underline the point that of course no barber has these thing. But perhaps for these articles, reporters will need to drop the irony as many people are not in the mood and others, with so many pressing things on our mind are reading fast and may miss the point. That said, you did find humor :-)
Fortress (New York)
@R Yes!! I laughed out loud when I read this.
CacaMera (NYC)
With certain communities not getting the concept of 'social isolation' NY's problems are about to get a lot worse. Bring the military and enforce isolation.
Cynical (NY)
A small minority are gathering — perhaps if they continue, the mayor can do something about them. But most people are doing their best to practice social distancing but psychologically the shelter in place is damaging for people who live in apartments. Nothing is open here — there is nowhere to go and congregate. Even coffee shops are to go only. The political rhetoric is just covering up a lack of public health planning by federal, state and local officials.
m.pipik (NewYork)
@Cynical Shelter in place is psychologically damaging? Only for (healthy) people with some sort of claustrophobia or no social network. And it is much less damaging than spending a few weeks in the ICU. Stop making excuses. I've been staying alone in an apartment for more than a week and it seems as though every time I try to read or watch a movie I'm interrupted by a friend/relative phoning or sending an email. If you are connected to the internet there are several applications for remote face-to-face contact. You don't need someone setting near you to be social.
Rauten (NYC)
@m.pipik I totally agree that this is an option for adults. But with 3 elementary and middle school children, who need to be on devices for e school for hours each day, it is not an option to not leave the apartment for some exercise. Strict shelter in place would indeed be damaging. Yes they need to keep their distance and not have play dates, but they need to be allowed to go for a run, bike ride etc. for their mental health.
Jake (NYC)
Cuomo is correct that our government leaders must communicate clearly to not cause panic. Sadly, DiBlasio’s repeated calls for a “shelter in place order” without specifics is doing the opposite. DiBlasio made a similar blunder last week when he told New Yorkers to expect “more restrictions” without specifying what those restrictions would be. Soon there were rumors that Manhattan would be closed off, leading to an exodus of New Yorkers who could afford to leave, presumably taking the virus with them. We saw this happen in Italy too, when residents of Northern Italy fled to other parts of the country in advance of the lockdown. We seen how that’s working.
As a resident of the tri-state area, I would be willing to shelter in place immediately in order to stop the spread of this terrible disease. Now that CA has done it, NY has no excuse and Cuomo has to be the leader in this for the rest of the region. I agree that if you do NY, you need to do CT and NJ too so that there isn't a mass exodus out of these areas and increased spread.
Lisa (NYC)
@GG Again, what does all this MEAN exactly?? We need specifics. Will we still be able to go for a walk...a jog? This must be made clear. How long might this shelter in place order last? How long might we 'not be allowed' to ....go for a walk?? As humans, we need to understand such things. Having some type of a timeline or 'end date' gives us comfort...a light at the end of the tunnel. Without this, uncertainly breeds panic, which in turn will create unpredictable behaviors. Will private cars be banned from the streets? Will public transit be halted? Will taxis still be able to operate? Again, we need details. If we don't have answers to questions such as the above, more of us will panic and want to flee. Might we shut down the entire subway system? Is Amtrak still running? Are local flights running? Will cars still be able to move in and out of the city? We need specifics...
Paul (Brooklyn)
We don't know the true stats re this virus until all is said and done. However, one stat is known. If you have low testing rates, the death rate is going to be higher since deaths are final and easy to document but the total number of people with the virus is unknown.
Louis (RegoPark)
Hopefully this, in a way, is good news since we can have a better handle on identifying who is infected and appropriate measures can be taken. It would have been better, however, if widespread testing had been done sooner.
We do not have enough tests and it appears we will never have enough. We cannot waste resources. We cannot afford any more unnecessary chances leading to new cases. We need to flatten the curve. We must all act as if everyone has been exposed to the virus and avoid contact with others unless absolutely necessary. The time has come for all citizens to respond quickly and fully and self-quarantine, unless you are an emergency worker.
mariel (culebra pr)
@BMD we are in week #2 of self isolating. To us, Public Health is more important than anything else right now. And, getting protective gear for nurses and doctors! What an outrage to have here shortages! !
Billy (The woods are lovely, dark and deep.)
@BMD Do you eat? Do your groceries will fall from the sky?
Greenie (Vermont)
I think lots more should have been done far sooner but the powers that be were afraid to act too soon and then be found with egg on their face if not much happened; sort of like when meteorologists predict landfall of a massive hurricane and then it goes elsewhere. That said, I also think many people resisted doing anything to prepare until it became really really obvious that NYC was in for it and then the masses stampeded and bought out the stores, all the while packed in like sardines, exposing themselves to their fellow shoppers germs. I know I told my mom who lives in NYC many weeks ago that I was sure this was going to hit and that NYC would be deeply affected; at that point only a few cases in Washington had cropped up. I told her to stock up and prepare to stay inside for weeks, stay off the buses and trains and just hunker down(she's healthy but elderly). So did she? Of course not. Well she stopped taking the trains and eliminated some of her activities but she still is riding the buses, going grocery shopping etc. There was no need for her to have this level of exposure. And if she gets sick, do I then need to come to NYC and expose myself to the virus? I feel like Cassandra......
datnoyd (Brooklyn)
@Greenie I am 64, Retired, and there is absolutely a need for me to ride the bus to buy food. I don't have a car and most of the grocery stores near me in Prospect Heights have closed thanks to rampant development. Fresh Direct is booked out for weeks. So buying food and picking up meds is a DIY project, and Atlantic Center offers the most affordable option for food shopping, which matters if one is surviving on social security and SNAP.
Don Juan (Washington)
@Greenie -- I hope your Mother is staying put now. No, you could not even visit her if she were to fall sick. Worse, there may be no bed or ventilator for her. It's in her own best interest to stay away from others.
Peggy (New York City)
@Greenie I'm so sorry Greenie that you face this possibility. I'm sure you're frantic with worry.
Testing is the reason for this increase, and with increased testing, the numbers will be astronomically increasing just as in this article. Just got a physical yesterday from my doctor in suburbia Philly. He has over 200 patients that have called to come in and be tested due to symptoms matching those of the corona virus. Only 5 fit the strict CDC criteria doctors must adhere to; either you have travelled internationally, or have come into direct contact with a known corona virus infected individual. That is testing approximately 2% of the population. Of the 5 tests he has completed, the results have not come in as there is a 4-5 day delay. The WHO test kits, apparently available for US purchase but not chosen by our fearless orange haired leader to be used for testing and therefore ignored, are in plentiful supply overseas and bring back test results in less than a day. One of my neighbors, who had all the symptoms including over 103 degree fever and works at the local elementary school, pleaded for a test from her doctor, and called the CDC 6 times. Try to guess whether she was tested....NO international travel, and could not name (due to HIPAA laws) the person, at her school, that was a known positive of the Corona virus.
Dean (Amherst, MA)
The NYT and other media outlets seemed focused on their live updates -- that is, printing information that is released to them as it comes. Do you have reporters digging more in depth? As the shortage of medical supplies has taken focus, the slow testing response has taken a back seat. In other countries, widespread testing has shown to be the best way to get the spread under control. The media need to be pushing this. The US needs a billion tests available asap, and testing should be happening on the town, precinct or borough level.
Marc Ong (Bellerose, QUEENS)
New York is suffering and yet the Federal Government is putting caps on the stimulus of $75/$99k? This is no accident - the same way the SALT cap was designed to hurt Blue States so is this cap. We live in a high cost of living area. While $75,000 maybe a lot of money in Alabama it is not a lot when you live here. The Federal Government needs to raise this cap substantially to help out people in New York, California, etc.
Don Juan (Washington)
@Marc Ong -- right now the Federal Government should provide the states with the necessary test kits and by a maker where the results won't be ready in a week's time, but the next day. If you want to contain the virus you must test and have the results quickly. The Federal Government should also make available from their stockpile medical supplies and ventilators. Cuomo should order everyone to stay inside. As long as people are out and about the spread will continue.
Richard Zerbo (Brooklyn, NY)
The median household income is 50k in NYC so this is going to reach a large percentage of the state - makes sense to me that they would cap it at 75k/99k I am more worried about people that work off the books / flyer under the radar: at this point we need to prioritize the most vulnerable in the city.
wmferree (Middlebury, CT)
Journalists could do a big favor by not splashing in front of us these hour by hour changes in the count unless they're very explicitly put into context, i.e. this number compared to what? The bold print should be “10,000 were tested today compared to yesterday’s 100.” The next line might read, “as expected the number of confirmed cases doubled.” Most of the country is already in panic mode; there's little need to raise (additional) awareness, so the task now should be to provide useful information that helps us calmly get through this mess with minimum losses. Very useful to me, at least of great interest, would be understanding how China, with 1,400,000,000 people is reporting zero new cases. What have they apparently gotten right that we haven't?
Nellie (NYC)
@wmferree I agree in general that context would make these stats go down with less panic, but unfortunately here in Brooklyn people and especially young people my age (20’s, 30’s) and people with little kids are really out and about...at the playground still, in the park runners are breathing hard all over pedestrians trying to keep their distance and on the street ppl are not being good about 6 ft rule. Grocery stores filled up etc...there are lots of folks in denial and while it’s possible nothing will change that I don’t mind the NYT framing things skewed towards a little more precaution. I think this is why news outlets have been repeating that a lot of cases in ICU in US are young people. It’s important we are all in this together or at least that we all try.
Adrienne (Maine)
@wmferree If you've noticed China has shut down certain foreign press and reporters. There is a good chance that they are controlling the narrative to explain the decrease in numbers. We all need to be aware of the power of propaganda. Listen carefully to the daily reports from the president, out of his own mouth he is still "winning."
RR (Chicago)
I’m concerned that a bigger problem is that there are too many people who are not panicked enough. Right now in my city I see major construction projects for luxury apartment buildings still fully staffed and functioning as before. Construction workers- most of whom are driving in from outer-exurbs and Indiana -are congregating in groups, eating lunch in groups, hanging out in bunches during their breaks. There are loads of people in the park with their dogs, all the dogs playing together and people standing in groups talking. The kids playground has kids and grandparents and parents in it. When I ventured out carefully yesterday for some supplies, I dodged countless panting joggers and was surprised at how many people were out and about and in the open stores.
Carlos (Brooklyn)
Time to call for a full lockdown, that’s the only way cases will go down. I went to Prospect Park a couple of days ago and people were still playing sports, having playdates etc.
Howard Jarvis (San Francisco)
@Carlos The problem is especially bad in Hasidic communities in Brooklyn where large gatherings continue to happen in defiance of state regulations. Read here: www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-hasidic-weddings-brooklyn.html Rabbis in these communities which tolerate such large gatherings need to be arrested and forced to spend time in jail. Yoiur right to freedom of religion should not include putting your neighbors lives at risk.
Don Juan (Washington)
@Carlos -- even without an order you would not find me out except for when I absolutely have to, to get groceries. Even those can be ordered. People are not thinking or are selfish and don't care. We all will pay a very high price for this.
Nellie (NYC)
@Carlos Yes, me too. Runners spitting all over pedestrians. People walking in groups right next to each other. Was very frustrating.
John Young (New York, NY)
Observing the West Side Highway drivers and Broadway traffic and sidewalk deliveries, many from out of state, virtually none are wearing protective gear for themselves or to avoid spreading coronavirus. At some point soon all of these should wear full biohazard suits, their vehicles decontaminated at city limits, highly visible decals stuck to their windshields indicating "non-hazardous." Construction-related vehicles, operating equipment and personnel should be especially evaluated and tagged for trustworthiness against COVID-19 as they are now for customary public safety. Tough call, but EMS, Fire, Police, medical, security, correction, parks, health, all government vehicles and personnel now roaming the city beyond all others should be inspected frequently and tagged as non-carriers of invisible harm. Public officials should set themselves as an example of personal and vehicular sanitation and caring for the citizenry. Red lights flashing and sirens wailing should not be a means to avoid responsible behavior.
Cynthia (NYC)
What about city dwellers who do not have a car for drive-through testing? Why are there not testing centers in each borough?
NYC unfortunately (COVID-19 hotspot aka NYC)
@Cynthia I think it's because it's assumed that most people living in NYC are infected or are hopelessly doomed to become infected. Why test them when you know what the answer will be? There is not much point to that... read the papers, those that are tested don't stay home... loved the story of the woman who tested positive and then took public transportation out to the Hampton's... these are New Yorkers! Also, read the comments above... a lady hacking away with a cough while shopping at the grocery store. Living in NYC it is inevitable that everyone will become infected.
Thomas Zaslavsky (Binghamton, N.Y.)
@NYC unfortunately I am quite sure you are mistaken. Don't panic, don't give up, don't get depressed. Many people are taking the stay-home order very seriously.
@Cynthia There are! They are putting them up at Bellevue, Metropolitan Hospital, Harlem Hospital, Elmhurst Hospital, Queens Hospital, Lincoln Hospital, and city hospitals in all the boroughs.
Tom J (Berwyn, IL)
New York and Seattle are the hotspots right now. No one is off the hook. When NY finally levels off we'll see new hotspots.
Even if Cuomo issued a shelter in place order, New Yorkers will not listen or follow orders to the detriment of themselves and others. I went to the grocery store this morning. A woman was hacking away coughing. She should not have been out and about. Parents are still taking their children food shopping as though it was a social outing. The numbers of those infected with the coronavirus will continue to rise if people refuse to heed the advice of medical experts.
Helene (Chicago)
@ME Shelter in place orders can be enforced. That's what's happening in France, for instance. And it would encourage more people. to stay in, so even if not everyone is following the rules, enough are to make a serious difference.
Bette (Brooklyn, NY)
@ME Did you consider that maybe those parents have no one to leave their children with, not that it's a "social outing"? It's still illegal to leave your kids alone, pandemic or not.
@ME parents are taking children shopping because they can't leave them at home alone!
ae (Brooklyn)
According to the doctor I saw on Tuesday, my persistent extreme fatigue, chest pressure and dry, hacking cough “almost certainly” were the coronavirus, but she couldn’t test me because I didn’t have a fever and hadn’t personally been to a severely impacted country. She told me to self-quarantine and rest, and to go to the ER if I start having trouble breathing. How many more people like me are there? On day 9 of bed rest now, no end in sight and no official diagnosis.
Richard Desmond (Readington NJ)
@ae It's too bad you're not a celebrity or a sports figure. Symptoms or not they seem to have no problem getting tested. Next comes a rush to report their results on Twitter and brag about how they are doing their part and self isolating.
Remy (California)
Right there with you. Except I had a low grade fever for the first few days. Going on day 12. Can’t get a test. Not getting worse but not getting better.
Don Juan (Washington)
@ae -- We are facing a catastrophe and there are still restrictions on who can get tested? It's sheer incompetence, starting from the top down!
Ali (NYC)
Another problem is the degree of poverty and ill health in many parts of NYC relative to the country. Not to mention food deserts. The population is dense and people have a high degree of metabolic disease. This particularly predisposes them to poor reaction to the virus. The national guard and army should be dispatched now to set up isolation care ahead of the spiral.
Black Swan (Dc)
This is what happens when you don’t do testing or don’t have capacity to testing You cannot see the problem at hand and cannot plan in adequate response Need shelter in place to flatten the curve more as much as possible, asap
CitizenX (NE)
Less than one week ago the Mayor was refusing to close schools. Now “shelter in place”. That single decision to leave schools open for so long is the reason NYC has the most cases of coronavirus. Period
Emily (NY)
I believe that the writing was on the wall for weeks if not months, and that the city’s highly delayed response is responsible for the proliferation of the virus. Up until just a week ago, I and nearly everyone I knew were going to work. I was still working with school children at the museum where I work—in fact, a little more than a week ago a colleague refused to cancel these visits saying that would be an extreme measure. The museum itself wasn’t yet closed. That was just seven days ago. The city’s response came far too late and people will die for it.
Daniel Savino (East Quogue NY)
@Emily I totally think the city should of done more but the city does not control international borders, the CDC, or countless other variables. NYC, sandwiched between New Jersey, the rest of New York, and Connecticut (and JFK!) doesn't have as much control over who comes in and out as you might believe. Concerted federal action was required.
Emily (NY)
@Daniel Savino I totally agree that air travel through the airports should have been much more heavily monitored and of course, that the federal government plays the biggest role here. NYC definitely has a unique position being such an international city, at such high density, where so many live in apartments and ride the subway daily. Still, the city was delayed in its response and lots of companies and cultural institutions-- who ended up taking initiative to close without that guidance from the city-- waited long to do so I believe because the state and federal government downplayed the dangers, perhaps to protect economic interests.
Lisa (NYC)
@Emily I think it's far too easy for folks to look back and say 'we should have done this or that' or sooner... There's no script for this. We'd no way of knowing if indeed it would be 'as bad' here as elsewhere. Might it have run its course, etc.... Also, keep in mind that our leaders understand full well that new measures or rules must be put into place with planning...the last thing you want is panic. Many criticized De Blasio for not closing schools sooner, even though many other leaders agreed with him at the time. Let's face it...there's always going to be plenty of criticism to go around. Can't please everybody. I'm also beyond tired of folks using the whole COVID situation as yet another opportunity to continually bash Trump. We are in a war right now. Bashing Trump, just for the sake of it, is pointless and a waste of energy. I'm tired of it. It's cliche. Yes, we don't like him. Yes, we want him out. But the fact is, he remains our president for another year or so. Nothing we can do to change that, until November. In the meantime, let's continue the pressure on the Fed government. State and city leaders will have to take the lead in many instances. We'll do what we can to all help each other through this. And eventually, this will pass. Yes, people are going to die. People die every day. Eventually, we all will die.
Milton Lewis (Hamilton Ontario)
New York State is lucky to have a leader in charge. Governor Cuomo is the anti-Trump. Calm,composed,articulate,empathetic and well informed. A voice of reason that is so badly needed in Washington. As a Canadian living in Toronto I feel the pain and anxiety of so many New Yorkers. Stay strong. You are resilient.We will get through this together.
Christopher Moore (New York)
@Milton Lewis I believe the state you're looking for is "California." The fact that New York City is not locked down but the State of California is should be telling.
Dar James (PA)
@Christopher Moore Agreed. Everyone praising Cuomo for his calmness and collectiveness. Fair enough. But the moment in his press briefing that he said this virus came "out of the blue," I knew he's not on the right page and is still deflecting. So, he doesn't want to incite panic by ordering people not to go out....maybe too calm, too collected.
Justin (Washington DC)
@Dar James I agree, it was clear well over a week ago that this virus was out of control in the New York City area but that no tests were being run to detect it (it was also crystal clear then from Italy's example what lay in store if the spread was allowed to continue unchecked). Cuomo is infinitely better than Trump, but the order delivered today should have come far sooner. These decisions come with their own costs in lives and suffering, but if it is the right call now, it was the right call more than a week ago. My personal estimate from data sources other than confirmed cases is that there are over 100K people in New York City that are currently infected, and over 1 million nationwide.
Jeff (NYC)
NYT really needs to add a disclaimer that the increase in diagnosed cases is directly tied to increased testing, and that the nationwide counts are inaccurate and misleading until there is widespread national testing available and we catch up on the backlog of testing. NY did not suddenly develop 1,000 new cases overnight, most of these people contracted the virus a week ago and are finally symptomatic or received testing yesterday. There are likely thousands more people with the Virus that are still untested or unaware yet. Likewise, there are likely 10's of thousands of people across the US who are sick, but simply haven't been tested due to lack of capacity nationwide.
kay (new york)
@Jeff The lack of tests seems to be a huge issue. Tests should be available to everyone and the federal gov't should be buying them overseas since they can't seem to produce enough in our country. The CDC and FDA need to help or get out of the way.
Kl (Rome)
@Jeff I also believe that the number of deaths from the virus are already much higher but have been overlooked and attributed to other causes in the past weeks.
Helene (Chicago)
@Kl Yep, I don't see what makes us any different from what Italy's going through (except maybe that their population is older than our's). If anything it seems we're poised for it to be worse here.
Nancy G (MA)
I'd like to know how many cases/tested positives there are in the state by county. While New York City numbers are staggering and deserve the focus and the bulk of resources, we need to see what's going on in other areas as well on a regular basis. Under-reporting undercuts so many levels of protection for those affected (all!) including EMT's, firefighters, police as well as the nurses and doctors. Action only happens when we're ready for the battle. What's going on in the more rural areas in upstate, for example. Put a face on it!
Minmin (New York)
@Nancy G — that information is available in the NYC and NYS gov websites. I don’t have the url bookmarked but it’s easy to find.
Trista (NY)
@Nancy G it’s pretty much impossible to get tested in other counties so there is ZERO accurate data. I’m in the Catskills and not only is there no place to get tested in the entire county, but we have buses that run back and forth from NYC all day every day. I believe they are saying we have 2 or 3 cases here. A likely story. These are only people that weren’t tested inside the county, and have confirmed travel to hotspots. In reality, the virus has unquestionably spread throughout all of the outlying counties at this point. People in this county who end up in the hospital in a neighboring county (like Orange, where there is more healthcare) get counted in the hospital’s county. So don’t trust any of the numbers - trust the pattern of spread and know that it is surely everywhere in the state by now.
Norman (NYC)
@Minmin Here it is. Actually, it's not by county -- all of New York City is aggregated together. https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/county-county-breakdown-positive-cases I'd like to get a map by zip code. One doctor said that, if you knew what the incidence was, you'd know how severe your precautions should be. Should you go to the park, to the supermarket?
Danny (Washington DC)
We're supposed to get an influx of patients, yet here in the DMV, testing lags. I totally get that most people who test positive will have manageable symptoms. I also understand why telling someone they have COVID-19 might make them panic unnecessarily. But surely we should try and see how deep this pool is? Without testing, how can we know how fast the disease is spreading? If our healthcare system is about to get a flood of patients at death's door with respiratory failure, we should try and find out just how much our resources are likely to fall short. Testing seems to be a key part of this critical analysis. Finally, no one has explained to us why tests are so rare. China and South Korea tested thousands of people per day. Did they really? If so, why aren't we scaling up to their level?
Karen Reed (Akron Ohio)
@Judy Making testing intentionally difficult to obtain and hiding the problem is unethical. The dedicated civil service medical professionals (i.e. members of the "deep state") at CDC and FDA are working night and day to make testing available. The ones to question are the Trump political appointees of our government who disbanded the organizations within the government that followed and mitigated pandemic threats. Trump massively resisted acting on the warnings of the arrival and spread of the virus. He is unethical and blood of every death is on his hands.
Norman (NYC)
@Danny Here's a story from the Washington Post that explains the bottlenecks that prevent us from mass testing, even after the Trump Administration waived the FDA and CDC restrictions. For example, there's a shortage of nasal swabs. They can't use cotton swabs, because cotton has DNA that would interfere with the DNA tests. These reagents are specialty chemicals that laboratories used to order in benchtop quantities that now have to be manufactured in industrial quantities. Qiagen said it would be able to perform 6.6 million tests by the end of April. Of course, we needed them in January, when the number of patients was doubling (maybe) every 6 days. As the NYT and WP reported, the Obama people knew this and tried to pass this information on to the Trump administration, but the Trump people ignored them, dozed off at meetings, and declared their final report secret. What's this I hear about Chinese censorship? If the Chinese and South Koreans can do it, why can't we? That's a good question. I wouldn't want to fight a war with China. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/03/18/shortages-face-masks-cotton-swabs-basic-supplies-pose-new-challenge-coronavirus-testing/ Shortages of face masks, swabs and basic supplies pose a new challenge to coronavirus testing CDC tells health-care workers to use bandannas if they don’t have face masks By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Brady Dennis, Steven Mufson and Tom Hamburger March 18, 2020
Judy (NYC)
@Danny The CDC and FDA intentionally made testing difficult in an attempt to hide the problem.
John (Sims)
I’m noticing a disturbing pattern of state and local leaders putting the responsibility on the federal government and the federal government putting it back on local and state leaders.
kay (new york)
@John That disturbing pattern seems to be eminating out of our president's mixed messages and refusal to use the power he has to help the states. Notice how quickly they took action on financial matters and bail out packages. Trump is the problem.
Flotsam (Upstate NY)
Except that the criticism from state and local leaders is correct: the federal government should have been aggressively coordinating our response to this weeks ago, and it’s the feds who can quickly mobilize beds, equipment, and the military infrastructure to help get it where it needs to go. Have no doubts: if the Trump administration had not minimized this crisis we could have weathered it so much better. As it is, how many needless deaths will Trump be responsible for because of his malfeasance?
Mary Ellen Sinkiewicz (Boston, MA)
@John, the difference is that the federal government, under the leadership of the President and Cabinet, is uniquely positioned to lead disaster response. The coronavirus pandemic has exposed the unparalleled incompetence of this Administration and the demagogue who controls it. Breathtaking. Literally. In the face of the national disaster he enabled, Donald Trump has finally begun to behave as President of the United States not of Trump-world. I strongly support his efforts, even as I rage at the enormous human costs our nation will pay for his heedlessness.
larry bennett (Cooperstown, NY)
This is one situation where topping the charts is not a coveted position, and I wonder why NY has so many more cases than California. Did CA respond quicker? Has their testing been less comprehensive and their numbers are still going to surge? Or is it simply the population density of NYC?
Black Swan (Dc)
Population density is the reason Unlike California where you have to drive to get to almost anywhere, nyc residential areas and business districts are tight and intersects You cannot walk on a street without running into another person or people
ondelette (San Jose)
@larry bennett, speaking from the first county in California to have a patient and the first to start taking harsh measures, the answer is, "Yes." Santa Clara County by rights should have been an epicenter like Washington and New York. But our Public Health Department started shutting the place down very quickly, and joined with 6 other Bay Area DPHs to shut down the surrounding area. Our whole state is in "shelter in place". It isn't draconian, although it is mandatory and they could take action against anyone who violates it. It also isn't as bad as it sounds, and most people in the stores when we do go out maintain the 6' very politely from each other.
Since the jump in NY is being ascribed in part to higher testing volume, I wonder what would happen to numbers in other states if they tested at a proportional capacity. There is every reason to believe Coronavirus is far more widespread than current numbers and maps indicate. I was relieved to see on my commute this morning (I'm a healthcare worker and have no choice) that the streets and public transit of NYC are rather empty and New Yorkers are taking this seriously.
Mare (Ma)
@NJ Good question. I've been sick with symptoms for over a week here in MA, and my doctor has told me to quarantine for two weeks. I don't fit the criteria for testing because I'm under 70, don't live in a nursing home and I'm not homeless. I do have an underlying respiratory condition and yet, I can't be tested unless or until I get sicker. A few days before my symptoms, I was teaching at a regional charter school and had direct contact with students from many towns (quite a few of whom were sick), as well as teachers and parents. The lack of preparation and continued restrictions on testing in my state, which has some of the best health care in the world, is beyond my comprehension.
Lisa (New York)
@NJ thank you for working in health care and being one of the true heroes in this mess. I am so sorry that you all have to beg for the supplies you need to stay safe. I am desperately trying to help you people get the supplies you need. Thank you again.
@NJ Thank you for your service. Keep well, be strong, keep calm and carry on. We are ALL grateful for your courage and diligence.
William M. Palmer, Esq. (Boston)
Sadly, there is a significant streak of sloppiness and indulgence that is regularly exhibited by a portion of the population. One can view this through a political lens: Rather than emphasize character, self discipline, civic mindedness, the demands and rewards of being a thinking person, and seriousness of purpose, the corporate-entertainment complex that has shaped much of American life the past few decades emphasizes consumption, self absorption and self exhibition. Now that traits such as cleanliness and disciplined self-management matter greatly, it is hard to envision that the US populace has the character and proper perception of risk to control their hazardous behaviors through this time of pandemic. That bodes ill for New York and for the country.
B. (Brooklyn)
Perfect. I think about World War II and our population then. When you realize that people in those days from all walks of life joined the armed forces (including rich young men like the Rockefellers, the Roosevelts, and George H.W. Bush, and movie stars like Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable) and women went work in armament and airplane factories; in England, they searched for victims in the rubble of bombed buildings, doing without water or gas, doing whatever they could; when Mr. Bevin of England could exhort all the unions to work even harder; when American college girls broke enemy codes; when the then Princess Elizabeth of England drove trucks and repaired their engines --. I don't know about England, but in the main too large a chunk of our population here, now, doesn't inspire much confidence. We are still busy hurling lies and insults at one another. Yet we do have our heroes doing the best they can with little government support. Trump is no Churchill. He's no FDR. Where's Ivanka? Hunkering down?
Quiet Waiting (Texas)
@William M. Palmer, Esq. While I agree with your conclusion that a significant streak of sloppiness and indulgence do exist, I ask you to remember that the do-your-own-thing mentality of the 1960s and 1970s was not an intellectual project of corporations, but of the counter-culture. Blame can be placed on the entire spectrum of institutions.
Scott (Bellingham)
@William M. Palmer, Esq. Natural selection has a way of winning every time. Unfortunately there will be innocent bystanders on the responsible side of the spectrum, but when this is done, those that did not respect social isolation strategies will be affected more. Is basic probability that says so.
The mayor should be working with the hotel industry in NYC to set up isolation centers for infected patients. Isolating the infected has been a tested and proven method of reducing infections. Also, testing outdoor centers should be set up in all NYC parks. Lastly, newly passed rules regarding public congregations should be enforced. Looking the other way for the sake of political correctness is just asking for more issues for NYC.
Alive and Well (Freedom City)
@BR The armories seem like good places to set up temporary treatment centers -- there's one on 168th street next to the hospital. Heaven forbid that it should get this huge but Madison Square Garden and other arenas have ample floor space. What's missing though are personnel to help people and other equipment.
@BR The problem is that if patients are not sufficiently ill to be hospitalized, they're better off at home. If they do need hospitalization, hotel rooms don't have oxygen lines and other infrastructure to support patient care.
Agreed. I am in an Asian country now and literally thousands of cases have spread in a country that can be traced to religious gatherings that involved 1000 people or so.
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